Unity Strip Club Wars [v1.02] [Total Fluke Studios]

[Cartageno]

Appreciate the detailed reply. IKind of figured those answers for the first and last questions. Answering my second question definitely helps a ton, kudos to you.

You're welcome.

 

[Magister Crudi]

Tired and unhealthy individuals won't attend parties

One thing I failed to mention is that although tired and unhealthy individuals couldn't accept invites to one-on-one dates they could still agree to and attend threesomes.

There's several things that seem wrong with the 'tired or unhealthy' mechanics I was going to devote a full comment to but I don't know what you've already addressed in the update. I'm downloading it now and will get back to you when I've played it for a bit.

And thanks again for an excellent game.

 

[Cartageno]

And now that 1.0 is out I found another typo (still playing the old version with some handcrafted additions, I don't want to "contaminate" the game more than necessary now that I have a deeper understanding - so it may have been addressed):

When changing clothes "I want to say as I am". I mean free speech and everything, say what you want, but I think something else was meant

 

[Cartageno]

Appreciate the detailed reply. IKind of figured those answers for the first and last questions. Answering my second question definitely helps a ton, kudos to you.

Small addendum: for question (2) you can also look around on the girls' info pages what they like about you, those are attributes you have.

 

[Magister Crudi]

Don't wanna sound like I'm promoting racial stereotyping by appearance here (after all, I'm an indigenous Australian who can usually pass as white) but during character initialisation for male Hispanic MCs, option #6 doesn't look very Hispanic to me.

 

[Varimatras]

Don't wanna sound like I'm promoting racial stereotyping by appearance here (after all, I'm an indigenous Australian who can usually pass as white) but during character initialisation for male Hispanic MCs, option #6 doesn't look very Hispanic to me.

Yeah sometimes something goes a little wrong there, had a white or asian 22 year old girl in the making and got served a black one in the mix...dunno what happend, why that one got dragged out of the pool of the ones available (was with v0.6 dunno about now).
I've to admit that i didnt check her in the folder if there was some coding wrong or missing.

Thing is they get randomly taken out of the pool available, so your #6 is not everyone elses #6, find the one you're meaning in the folder and list the ID and have a look at the coding for characters (its explained in the character imagy system pdf file).
Male hispanics should start with mXh(ispanic)
Female hispanics with fXh(ispanic)
If there are not enuff options available, to fill the 25 spots, the game might choose something else in the agerange tho.

 

[Magister Crudi]

Thing is they get randomly taken out of the pool available, so your #6 is not everyone elses #6

Thanks for your knowledgeable and comprehensive reply. I've previously played as Asian characters and was left the distinct impression I was being served the same character options in the same order every time and much less than 25 of them.

Option #6 in my current game was scw-10049-m1h-mnmhd-dmd so is indeed coded as Hispanic, but as you can see he's not a good match to the appearance stereotypes of Hispanic men. My own stereotyping says "Nation of Islam".

 

[Magister Crudi]

This version includes achievements.

OK, I've been awarded a couple of achievements and the first time it was pretty obvious what had triggered it. But I can't link "Going Steady" to anything I've done recently. I started with my (so far) only girlfriend about 5 game days ago and she wasn't even in the building when the achievement came up. The woman I was with (having just trained her) is an employee who isn't even my friend, though she did ask me for a date the turn after the achievement had been awarded.

Is there somewhere I can see what I've actually achieved?

 

[Magister Crudi]

Is it a glitch that straight women can have exes who stalk them who are also women?

 

[TotalFluke]

One thing I failed to mention is that although tired and unhealthy individuals couldn't accept invites to one-on-one dates they could still agree to and attend threesomes.

There's several things that seem wrong with the 'tired or unhealthy' mechanics I was going to devote a full comment to but I don't know what you've already addressed in the update. I'm downloading it now and will get back to you when I've played it for a bit.

And thanks again for an excellent game.

The unhealthiness concept was added a bit late so a lot of the early scenes didn't have a check for it, so when it got added I had to put in on a bunch of places. It's likely I've missed a few. It's also likely that I forgot to check it in some new scenes added after. As for the threesomes, that may be intentional. The threesome logic is already so convoluted that I think I just decided to not check for those to simplify things.

And now that 1.0 is out I found another typo (still playing the old version with some handcrafted additions, I don't want to "contaminate" the game more than necessary now that I have a deeper understanding - so it may have been addressed):

When changing clothes "I want to say as I am". I mean free speech and everything, say what you want, but I think something else was meant

My god, I must have seen that text a thousand times and never noticed it. Will fix, thanks!

Thanks for your knowledgeable and comprehensive reply. I've previously played as Asian characters and was left the distinct impression I was being served the same character options in the same order every time and much less than 25 of them.

Option #6 in my current game was scw-10049-m1h-mnmhd-dmd so is indeed coded as Hispanic, but as you can see he's not a good match to the appearance stereotypes of Hispanic men. My own stereotyping says "Nation of Islam".

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It is possible that some images are mislabeled. I fixed on such case not that long ago. But I think this one was on purpose as I was a bit frustrated by how similar all the AI generated latin men were that I went with something less stereotypical. Hispanic/latin is not a race and those from Caribbean countries are often dark skinned. There's a couple of lighter-skinned latin girls too.

OK, I've been awarded a couple of achievements and the first time it was pretty obvious what had triggered it. But I can't link "Going Steady" to anything I've done recently. I started with my (so far) only girlfriend about 5 game days ago and she wasn't even in the building when the achievement came up. The woman I was with (having just trained her) is an employee who isn't even my friend, though she did ask me for a date the turn after the achievement had been awarded.

Is there somewhere I can see what I've actually achieved?

You can see all the achievements you've earned and an explanation for what they are off the Main Menu (the Achievements button).

Is it a glitch that straight women can have exes who stalk them who are also women?

A straight woman can have a female stalker, that's ok (the stalker would need to be gay or bi). But the issue is that it shouldn't call her an ex in that case. Although fixing that is going to be a bitch so may just force the stalker to be the proper gender to be called an ex.

 

[Magister Crudi]

It is possible that some images are mislabeled. I fixed on such case not that long ago. But I think this one was on purpose as I was a bit frustrated by how similar all the AI generated latin men were that I went with something less stereotypical. Hispanic/latin is not a race and those from Caribbean countries are often dark skinned. There's a couple of lighter-skinned latin girls too.

Yeah, I agree with you completely. "Hispanic" is an identity, not a race, and incorporates many variations and admixtures of appearances of European, African and Native American origin.

But that's more or less true of everything we call a "race" - a term which has no biological or genetic validity whatsoever, regardless of the crap marketing strategies of DNA testing ancestry companies.

But applied to the game that would invalidate racial characteristics entirely. For example there's plenty of Asian women in the Bollywood film industry who look much more like the white characters in your game than they do any of the Asian ones. North Indians are largely Aryan, but Asian nonetheless. And I've seen more variation in female appearance in a single Indonesian town than I've seen across all the Asian women in SCW.

So while I think your point is valid in real life terms, it's not really relevant to the game. To invoke race to signify appearance is to stereotype and that's built into SCW (and the porn industry) from the ground up. Arguably it's built into the nature of human attraction too.

 

[omnifill]

Yeah, I agree with you completely. "Hispanic" is an identity, not a race, and incorporates many variations and admixtures of appearances of European, African and Native American origin.

But that's more or less true of everything we call a "race" - a term which has no biological or genetic validity whatsoever, regardless of the crap marketing strategies of DNA testing ancestry companies.

But applied to the game that would invalidate racial characteristics entirely. For example there's plenty of Asian women in the Bollywood film industry who look much more like the white characters in your game than they do any of the Asian ones. North Indians are largely Aryan, but Asian nonetheless. And I've seen more variation in female appearance in a single Indonesian town than I've seen across all the Asian women in SCW.

So while I think your point is valid in real life terms, it's not really relevant to the game. To invoke race to signify appearance is to stereotype and that's built into SCW (and the porn industry) from the ground up. Arguably it's built into the nature of human attraction too.

hell take oceanic and native/aboriginal for example. we lump most of them all together when in reality half of them never even interacted till the last few hundred years.

best example and i can do this thru a simple question
Maui and Hawaiians
are they oceanic or aboriginal? are they the same race or a different race?

 

[Magister Crudi]

Change Log for version 1.0

Would I be correct in noting an undocumented change is that social media activities no longer expend time?

It's introduced a bug whereby posts aren't cleared and you can keep checking, liking and reposting them over and over. The repostings only seem to impact opinions once per NPC but the 'likes' keep doing it (i.e. introducing an exploit enabling you to repeatedly boost NPC opinions with the same posts).

If you agree please like this comment 50 times. It'll improve my opinion of you.

Edit: Both the social media activities expending no time and the failure to clear posts are happening inconsistently and I'm yet to work out why. I've been wondering if it's anything to do with resetting photo_album_size and social_media_size to 30, but that's something I've done in all my play throughs without seeing this before. I've just reset them back to 20 and will see if it happens again.

Edit 2: It's still happening, though as I have 50 photos in my album (from when photo_album_size was 30) it's possible that whatever is breaking it is already broken and simply decreasing photo_album_size doesn't fix it. I can't get rid of the photos in my album even by going through them selecting "I want to delete it".

Edit 3: After a few more rounds of social media checking and posting the uncleared posts finally cleared. Since then using social media has always taken a full game turn and the posts have been clearing properly. So I'd tentatively conclude that setting the size parameters to 30 is what triggered it. But I've been doing that almost since I first started playing SCW and I've never seen this bug before, so I'm inclined to think something about the most recent update introduced it.

 

[Magister Crudi]

hell take oceanic and native/aboriginal for example. we lump most of them all together when in reality half of them never even interacted till the last few hundred years.

Dunno what 'oceanic' means as a human classification. Maui people (Kānaka Maoli) are Polynesians. I for one don't "lump them together". Among the people Polynesians are known to have interacted with before Europeans reached the Pacific are Melanesians, Micronesians and Native Americans (South America).

I'm an Aborigine and certainly groups in Northern Australia had contact with seafarers from the Indonesian archipelago for tens of thousands of years before Europeans arrived. Though the resultant genetic interchange wasn't extensive it's spread across the continent via longstanding contacts between Aboriginal bands.

When New Guinea and Australia were part of the same landmass (Sahul) there was extensive contact between Melanesians and Aborigines and that is strongly reflected in the genome of modern Aborigines.

The first Australian Aborigines were almost certainly part of the epic 'Negrito' coastal migration out of Africa over 75,000 years ago (20-30,000 years before homo sapiens existed in Europe). They were initially held up in South India (with their most direct descendants now living on the Andaman and Nicobar Islands) by the various homo erectus subspecies that had long existed in that part of the world, but after Mount Toba exploded and devastated the region they were able to move through areas previously denied them and (relatively) soon arrived in Australia.

Since then there have been several instances of genetic admixture from other groups, most notably Micronesians migrating by sea from what's now Taiwan and Makassan trepang traders but also probably from South Indian (Dravidian) seafarers 4-5,000 years ago. And of course most of us now have considerable European and/or wider Asian ancestry too.

 

[omnifill]

Dunno what 'oceanic' means as a human classification. Maui people (Kānaka Maoli) are Polynesians. I for one don't "lump them together".

I'm an Aborigine and certainly groups in Northern Australia had contact with seafarers from the Indonesian archipelago for tens of thousands of years before Europeans arrived. Though the resultant genetic interchange wasn't extensive it's spread across the continent via longstanding contacts between Aboriginal bands.

When New Guinea and Australia were part of the same landmass (Sahul) there was extensive contact between Melanesians and Aborigines and that is strongly reflected in the genome of modern Aborigines.

The first Australian Aborigines were almost certainly part of the epic 'Negrito' coastal migration out of Africa over 75,000 years ago (20-30,000 years before homo sapiens existed in Europe). They were initially held up in South India (with their most direct descendants now living on the Andaman and Nicobar Islands) by the various homo erectus subspecies that had long existed in that part of the world, but after Mount Toba exploded and devastated the region they were able to move through areas previously denied them and (relatively) soon arrived in Australia.

Since then there has been several instances of genetic admixture from other groups, most notably Micronesians migrating by sea from what's now Taiwan and Makassan trepang traders but also probably from South Indian (Dravidian) seafarers 4-5,000 years ago. And of course most of us now have considerable European or wider Asian ancestry too.

ocianic is just short hand for people from the pacific islands.

and im more talking about native americans interactions then polynesians. polynesians got around. yet their still lumped together with them as a race in some areas (atleast where i live. gotten better thou)

 

[Magister Crudi]

ocianic is just short hand for people from the pacific islands.

They refer to themselves as "Pasifika" people.

But mostly I was trying to correct the assertion "in reality half of them never even interacted till the last few hundred years".

If you mean "half of them" as individuals that's a gross underestimate.

If you mean "half of them" as groups it's simply untrue. I'm unaware of any groups of people in the Pacific region who didn't interact with other groups in numerous ways for centuries before Europeans discovered the Pacific Ocean and it's a subject I've long taken an interest in.

 

[omnifill]

They refer to themselves as "Pasifika" people.

But mostly I was trying to correct the assertion "in reality half of them never even interacted till the last few hundred years".

If you mean "half of them" as individuals that's a gross underestimate.

If you mean "half of them" as groups it's simply untrue. I'm unaware of any groups of people in the Pacific region who didn't interact with other groups in numerous ways for centuries before Europeans discovered the Pacific Ocean and it's a subject I've long taken an interest in.

and now you see how people mesh other peoples together.
hell where I'm from Pacifica is just used for the random islands around the guam area. ocianic is used for the island people if not indigenous who are scattered thought the ocean. that inclueds the philopenas. and im pretty sure their asian

plus we still run into the same issue i was talking about before. how did native Americans get lumped in with them and Australian aboriginals. those are three distinct different people half way across the world from each other. plus even if they might have had contact through the centuries (like euopean spanish) it was not enough to completely blend the races into one race.

hell if anything native american are more related to the inu, inuit and siberian people do to how they crossed making them more asian if anything. unlike the ocianic and abarigonals who are most likely a bye product of the same migration patterns making them much more related in time

you know this sect of history exstreamly well so for you its a no brainer. i know history in general better then the average joe. yet even a casual history buff gets confused at what exactly entails their races boundries. native americans i got. america boom done. but aberiganals and ocianic (their actual name has now made me even more confused) i dont know where that lies.

 

[Cartageno]

And the we have the US census who just calls them "Native Americans and Pacific Islanders". Though "Asian" also is a clear misidentification in reality because Asia is huge. We usually think of Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, so people from East Asia (who still are different from each other), not about South Asia with all the Indian peoples and neighboring folks, nor South West (which would fall under Arabic in this game) nor North West (which is mostly Caucasian, at least these days). And as was said, the nomadic tribes from northern Siberia bear more resemblance to their American cousins than to their Asian ones in some respects.

As with all classifications you can only go so far before you notice inconsistencies and borderline cases, never mind the issue of mixed ethnicity. Just a question of what it is used for. For the purpose of this game, where I think it only matters for picture selection and racism - if enabled - it should work fine. Even if some dark latino comes out.

 

[Magister Crudi]

South Asia with all the Indian peoples and neighboring folks, nor South West (which would fall under Arabic in this game) nor North West (which is mostly Caucasian, at least these days)

Not to mention the multitude of ethnicities along Temüjin's invasion route from Western China to Turkey via the 'stans. Or Alexander's route from Macedon to West India via a detour to Egypt, if you prefer.

A lot of people consider Turkish women the most beautiful in the world due to the historic mixture of people from so many regions who contributed to their ancestry.

BTW, 'Caucasian' is no longer considered a valid racial or ethnic classification at all. It arose from the 18th Century Gottingen school, which gave us much of the 'race science' that went out of fashion in 1945. It was based on Biblical accounts of Noah's three sons founding the three races of man; white from Shem, yellow from Japheth and black/brown from Ham (cursed to "never cease being slaves, both hewers of wood and drawers of water" according to Joshua 9:23). The Gottingen scholars believed Shem's offspring first settled in the Caucauses and eventually gave rise to all white Europeans, hence "Caucasians".

In the US "Caucasian" was enshrined as a legal term for the purpose of immigration and citizenship laws, with its precise meaning ebbing and flowing in accordance with various Supreme Court rulings.

 

[Cartageno]

Not to mention the multitude of ethnicities along Temüjin's invasion route from Western China to Turkey via the 'stans. Or Alexander's route from Macedon to West India via a detour to Egypt, if you prefer.

A lot of people consider Turkish women the most beautiful in the world due to the historic mixture of people from so many regions who contributed to their ancestry.

One eye opener for me was, when shortly after the fall of the USSR a magazine made a report about the prime ministers (or "beloved presidents for life" or whatever their actual title was) of the 'stans had a meeting about working closely together in the face of similar problems (complete restructure of everything after USSR went down, being landlocked, small population in vast area, partly pretty mountainous, and so forth). And the picture of that meeting showed a "Chinese" guy, a "Persian" guy, a "Nepalese" guy and so forth. I used to think of that area as "extended Russia, so Europe" but it is diverse (no wonder, given its size).