Not only will her husband be there, but Kat also bought a paiting of the artist Felicia is such a big fan of. As a felish fan I both dread and look forward to the next exhibition. I'm sure it won't fail to have the desired effect and will have maximum impact.
It kinda makes you wonder what Kat will do to other contestants to subject them to similar level of "personal hell".
Kath just was utterly annoyed by the fact that there isn't really anything on the line for Felicia, so now she'll destroy her life. And yes...I dread it as well...
Like Takkatakka mentioned above, Felicia is special case with regards to her rather unique motivation to take part in the exhibition. Maybe that was the reason for her drastic measures.
I'd expect something more along the lines of digging into her ex-wife. That's a pretty obvious weak point on Veronica's crab shell.About Veronica, maybe Warren will pay a visit to her gym..
The house girls would obviously know if the Club tried to weasel its way out of the Summer Exhibition deal. Sure, they won't go blabbing about that willy nilly, but they'd be a very real risk to let word slip if one of them ever felt the need to stick it to management in the future. And that's on top of the morale hit they'd take to their own trust in the Club.
Well, given that the losing Carnations are prime candidates for future house girls, yeah, I think it would make a huge difference if the Club tried to alter the deal. Not only would you run into the problems mentioned above, you'd all but kill any chance of recruiting from that year's class. Who would sign up for a nightmare job with an employer you know has a history of stiffing its workers? Even desperation can only go so far.
Yeah, but again, it's not really altering the deal -- the idea of what's going to happen in case of a tie is never raised by any of the girls. They (as well as the players) make an assumption about it, but you know what that makes out of participants. As for the history of stiffing the workers, the club's very workers can be inquired about profitability and reliability of this side of business. If the club was doing dirty trick here, that'd get out quite sooner than something that could've at best happened couple times in last few years.
Rules lawyering only works when there's a theoretically neutral court to arbitrate the law. In this case, when the deal is part of an illegal brothel, there's no one to appeal to. The stronger party declaring all the girls have forfeited on a previously unexplained technicality wouldn't go over very well. Again, in the long run it would be cheaper and easier to give one of the Carnations the win and keep things looking fair - even if the actual sausage making is as crooked as the local police department.
It wouldn't go over well with... whom, exactly? Keep things looking fair for, again, whom? A random nobody who's upset over her own lack of forethought or a presumption that turned out wrong? Why would you spend money just to appease her in such case, when you can simply threaten her instead that if she doesn't keep her trap shut and any of this gets out to anyone, her current debt is going to be the least of her problems? These people are criminals who don't shy away from violence and outright murder, and who get the law on their side, to boot. You don't really think any of the girls would risk their very lives just because they'd want to vent about their bad experience?
On this note, do we know of any such failed Carnation who is even working at the club? I don't recall any mention of even one, either former or current. I suppose you could name Lucy, but she didn't participate in the actual competition and doesn't seem to have any better status --or generate any more interest-- than the other freshly hired girl.
Regardless of whether they knew of the Club before, the Carnations are here, now. If they learned that, say, Allison Smith didn't become a movie star after she won last year's competition but instead got snubbed because she didn't fill out her scorecard or something like that, do you think they're going to show up for Week 3's hijinks? Or will they decide it's no longer worth the risk and try some other desperate endeavor that seems more likely to deliver?
AFAIK none of the current house girls were former Carnations, though we don't know that much about most of them. But we know Kathleen will expect Rose to pay off the advance in a similar manner to a house girl if the MC doesn't find a better way to get money for her. Combine that with what happened to Lucy and Samson's confidence that eventually Veronica will be his once he bankrupts her and I think it's a reasonable supposition that the Club would make the offer to the losers.
We get a hint of how she thinks when you engineer a tied exhibition. She counts it as nobody winning
Rose won the first week and the second week ended in a three-way tie.
According to TD Half of the "endings" won't even feature Edwin "at the club" for the ending (ie Edwin trying to leave the club and the complications around that) we don't know if that's during or after the 4th exhibition. I'd argue that a lot more "complications" arise if he wants to leave before it ends.
From the patrons (of the clubs) side would you want to gamble on a "game" where someone can go "ooooooh all that money you bet? It's invalid hehe try again next year~" not to mention that 99% of the clubs patrons dont want to be "taken advantage" of in that way (the one guy Dalia bullies wouldn't mind
) they want the usual power over people type deal which Kathleen who is already unfairly judged for being a women flagrantly changing the rules to "fuck them over" is pretty much opposed to what they want since the patrons try to hit on her/disparage her every single exhibition. they could easily and logically be involved in some endings thoughAccording to TD Half of the "endings" won't even feature Edwin "at the club" for the ending (ie Edwin trying to leave the club and the complications around that) we don't know if that's during or after the 4th exhibition. I'd argue that a lot more "complications" arise if he wants to leave before it ends.
From the patrons (of the clubs) side would you want to gamble on a "game" where someone can go "ooooooh all that money you bet? It's invalid hehe try again next year~" not to mention that 99% of the clubs patrons dont want to be "taken advantage" of in that way (the one guy Dalia bullies wouldn't mind
I'm sure the people we don't see at the exhibitions but that we know are still gambling on it would also be in the "wtf is this bitch stealing my money for" camp as well
Then you have to consider one third of the owners would be directly against it (august) and Chuck would probably be indifferent at best it doesn't make sense for Kathleen to even be thinking about it unless she starts speeding up plans for the future (replacing August/Chuck with Hana/Edwin for just for example
As for the girls going to law enforcement? Yeah the club has the moorehead PD tied up pretty well but the FBI? (Human trafficking?) I'm pretty sure the reason that they aren't involved is because TD doesn't find the "FBI OPEN UP" meme to be hot.....
Veronica might "lose hope in her fellow humans" if she learned that samson engineered the last year of her life (including having people she admires/cares about lie and manipulate her), on top of losing her only livelihood (and place to live)
Felicia's "life" or at least way of life could be at risk right now even if she is kept as a caged bird why would her husband (who has the power) let her do jack shit after he knows she's been part of the club? Potentially not even just having sex but also having having legitimate emotional connections and going on "dates" with Edwin (who he knows from the interview)
So 2/3 girls are already in a position where you can easily argue they won't be able to continue their life anyway and we still have an entire week+exhibition to go.....I can see rationally taking a backseat for a second while they rat out kathleen
Edit: FWIW according to Kathleen the patrons dont get to participate that much in the event because that would mess with the results
I think they'd still show up, yes. Sunk cost fallacy is a powerful mechanism, especially when that sunk cost is couple weeks of putting up with utter filth. The Carnations are already banking on mere chance of getting their prize, and they don't have any other similarly viable opportunity to get what they're after. If they had, they wouldn't be here in the first place, or threw the towel much sooner.
They could do that, yes. But there's two factors working against it: one, some girls actually winning the competition maintain the image that a win is possible in the eyes of subsequent participants. Allison Smith gets wheeled out as a bait because she is a "success story", so to speak. And #2, tie(s) being potential outcomes enhance the range of betting options for the patrons, while things always ending with a tie would be completely uninteresting in that context.
Veronica is designated to deliver punishments in case of a tie, but she's not considered a winner of the week in such scenario. Both Kat and the game internally (per variable name) mark that situation as a three-way defeat, with all three girls being the losers.
This is not the case, because as a patron you *can* bet on a tie being the outcome -- during week 2 there's one guy who bet on such result, and in my game he got all the bet money. So yes, if anything the possibility of ties spices up betting, because it makes things more difficult to predict, than just 3 simple options.
You could also argue that this is the case for at least 2/3rd of the girls who participated in competitions in previous years and ended up losers with nothing to show for it. Yet the club is still operating with impunity. Meaning either no one dared to rat Kat out, perhaps because at the end of the day staying alive is preferable, or if someone did, it has come to naught. All things considered, it's rather adorable that we'd talk about FBI as an incorruptible force of guaranteed justice in this setting.
IIRC what TD wrote earlier, in response to question why the patrons just sit and watch without much input, the patrons don't get to participate much in the early weeks of the exhibition. This changes down the road as the games escalate.
Thanks, I checked out exhibit n2. If Garofani draws he does not receive 1 point. Usually the winner gets 1 point and the loser a punishment, in this case 2 are punished
Is a tie the same as every one of the competitors "forfeited on a previously unexplained technicality"? I understood it as a "this years exhibition has no winner" instead of a nobody/everybody "wins" scenario?
Do we know the extent of what the others wanted? Presumably its similar to Veronica/Rose in terms of money since Felica got the reaction she did for wanting to join for her given reasons. However given how unique Veronica/Felica's interactions are with the club overall I think the idea of them saying "fuck it scorched earth ive got nothing to lose" isnt 100% impossible (beyond the "meta" reasons of the vn needing to contine).
In this context, yes -- the original theoretical situation i was discussing was an equivalent of the week 2 tie outcome, i.e. all competitors ending with equal number of points (after 4 weeks of games) i.e. no one gaining an upper hand and becoming eligible to receive the prize, as defined by game rules. You could choose to describe this scenario the way you quote it, but it'd be a piece of sophistry, intended to color negatively what is a simple tie resulting in no actual winner.
Oh, but we don't even know if it's an organization they don't profit from or don't have their fingers in it. Dr. Chuck is on record of working for a number of alphabet soup government organizations. At the very least we can presume he's got some contacts, but it also could be anything from a honeytrap to illicit financing source.No law enforcemnet agency is an incorruptible force of guaranteed justice.....however the biggest diffrence between MHPD and the FBI is that the MHPD is (literally) getting their dick wet by the club whereas the FBI (or any 3 letter agecny) its just a criminal organzistion that they arent controlling nor do they profit from
