VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Ozymandias037]

The mom thing is a dead horse for sure, but I don't understand why a trouple with Mina and Hana would be. As far as we know, we can still get something with both, and literally the answers to my little rant include the promise of scenes with both of them. Therefore, the hope is still there.

If you guys are in it to ruin other people's hopes, at least stick to things that has next to zero chance to happen. The mom thing is a good example. Fucking Ian in the ass is another good one.

So for me there's two things here.

1. I understand that you are merely expressing your frustration that the plot of the game, the choices that Hana and Edwin make, don't allow you to do what you personally would like. That's fine! You're absolutely entitled to your opinion and there's nothing wrong with you expressing it.

2. That doesn't change the fact that the game was written the way it was written. Hana was very clear about her expectations: No other girls outside the club. Edwin *could* argue about that, sure, but it wouldn't go the way he wants. Nothing about Hana's character suggests that she is going to budge on that requirement. Especially when she's willing to bump uglies regardless and the requirement is for a formal recognition of the relationship, i.e. boyfriend and girlfriend. Hana is headstrong, stubborn, and has very strong ideas of right and wrong. She's not going to compromise that just because Edwin wants to have two girlfriends. She doesn't. And for her to just change that to suit Edwin's whims would be a pretty big swing away from her core character. That's bad writing. This dilemma is just like any dilemma encountered in the real world: You are given the constraints for your choices, presented with options, and you make a choice. That's all there is to it. Sure, there's plenty of times in the real world (or in games, of course) that we'd all love to have other choices than the ones we do. But sometimes we're just SOL. People have dealbreakers for friendship, relationships, etc. all the time. That's just the way it is. Going back to #1, it's pretty clear you don't like that choice on the part of the devs. Again, that's fine! You're allowed to have that frustration and your feelings are valid! But making the change you want to see would require changing Hana's character in a pretty big way, and it would make the writing worse, and that would make the game worse. And that's *my* opinion, with which you're absolutely free to disagree at whatever length you like.

 

[PervyParadox]

So for me there's two things here.

1. I understand that you are merely expressing your frustration that the plot of the game, the choices that Hana and Edwin make, don't allow you to do what you personally would like. That's fine! You're absolutely entitled to your opinion and there's nothing wrong with you expressing it.

2. That doesn't change the fact that the game was written the way it was written. Hana was very clear about her expectations: No other girls outside the club. Edwin *could* argue about that, sure, but it wouldn't go the way he wants. Nothing about Hana's character suggests that she is going to budge on that requirement. Especially when she's willing to bump uglies regardless and the requirement is for a formal recognition of the relationship, i.e. boyfriend and girlfriend. Hana is headstrong, stubborn, and has very strong ideas of right and wrong. She's not going to compromise that just because Edwin wants to have two girlfriends. She doesn't. And for her to just change that to suit Edwin's whims would be a pretty big swing away from her core character. That's bad writing. This dilemma is just like any dilemma encountered in the real world: You are given the constraints for your choices, presented with options, and you make a choice. That's all there is to it. Sure, there's plenty of times in the real world (or in games, of course) that we'd all love to have other choices than the ones we do. But sometimes we're just SOL. People have dealbreakers for friendship, relationships, etc. all the time. That's just the way it is. Going back to #1, it's pretty clear you don't like that choice on the part of the devs. Again, that's fine! You're allowed to have that frustration and your feelings are valid! But making the change you want to see would require changing Hana's character in a pretty big way, and it would make the writing worse, and that would make the game worse. And that's *my* opinion, with which you're absolutely free to disagree at whatever length you like.

Look, I understand how the game is written and I understand the characters. What I'm saying in the message you quoted is that I think there's still hope to at least be with both Mina and Hana in the end. I also understand that my issue with the "dilemma" we're faced with is just me being impatient because I'm actually afraid to be wrong on that point and I want to "secure" that possibility as fast as possible in order to not be faced with the possibility that we actually have to choose.

But you people totally giving up on the idea is also pretty biased on the opposite side. Characters are not stagnant, they change and they evolve. Especially well-written ones. Hana would have never accepted to engage this much in the club at the beginning of the game. Mina would have never cheated on Ian from the get-go. Etc. I'm not saying Hana should accept a trouple just like this. Neither am I saying she should accept Edwin fucking every whore and hot girl he can find. I'm saying there's hope that she accepts at least Mina at some point, given the right choices and the right progression.

 

[aoaxe]

Bro, is there gofile mirror for this game?

 

[bateauivre]

Sorry for the dumb question, but I forgot. How many exhibitions are planned for the Carnations? Three or four?

 

[ffive]

After all, Edwin also "commited" to Mina if we choose to help her with her list. I found it frustrating to not take that commitment into account. Commitment and monogamy aren't necessarely the same thing, after all. You can commit to more than one thing, with more than one person.

Not all things you can commit to are compatible with one another, simple as that. Having one commitment can exclude ability to commit to another thing, when natures of these commitments are mutually exclusive.

 

[ename144]

Sorry for the dumb question, but I forgot. How many exhibitions are planned for the Carnations? Three or four?

There are a total of four exhibitions for each year's competition, so we're currently half-way through.

 

[TERES]

There are a total of four exhibitions for each year's competition, so we're currently half-way through.

Yes, but if a Carnation wins 3 races in a row like in the previous year's Exhibition won by Alison Smith, would only 3 exhibitions be enough?

 

[Albion242]

Chapter 1 is the prologue. This last update ends on week 3, wednesday night.

Check my "miniguide" in the OP (the timeline guide).

Many thanks for the answer.

 

[Bill Temple]

Yes, but if a Carnation wins 3 races in a row like in the previous year's Exhibition won by Alison Smith, would only 3 exhibitions be enough?

Winning the series in 3 doesn't seem like something that Kat would allow. She's devious and evil enough that I'm sure something will cause the contest to go into game 4.
Edit: But now that you mention it, we shouldn't risk TD1900 and GIL3D getting burned out and using your plan as an early exit strategy from this purgatory they've exiled themselves to. Hurry over to Patreon and Substar, gentlemen! If we vote loudly enough with our wallets, we can ensure this twisted contest goes the distance!

 

[ffive]

Yes, but if a Carnation wins 3 races in a row like in the previous year's Exhibition won by Alison Smith, would only 3 exhibitions be enough?

Kathleen specifically mentioned that outcome was boring as fuck and she'd taken that into account when devising the current content, so you can probably expect at least some twist in such scenario.

On the simplest level, all it'd require is to assign different, increasing weight to each subsequent competition (or just to the last one) meaning a last-minute comeback is possible.

 

[Dr. Mick]

I keep following and reading this game/novel to see if there will be a path where the MC makes it out the other end, breaks away, manages to get the club shut down, and lives happily ever after with the LI of his choice.

Yes, I know it's farfetched; that's simply my ideal ending. So I continue through to see how close the ending comes to what I hope.
Fully prepared for the ending(s) to be nothing like that; just curious to see how it will ultimately end.

 

[The Senior Perv]

Bonus Art: Superstar

This will become a transition screen next update.

 

[Silent_Dreamer]

I hope there will be a Mina-Hana-MC throuple route

 

[Takkatakka]

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Bonus Art: Superstar

This will become a transition screen next update.

Is that a young Victoria? Not sure I like so many renders of her, it doesn't bode well for Edwin.

 

[PervyParadox]

Not all things you can commit to are compatible with one another, simple as that. Having one commitment can exclude ability to commit to another thing, when natures of these commitments are mutually exclusive.

Sure I agree, but the possibility to commit to both Hana and Mina ultimately comes down to Hana accepting it, since I don't think Mina would be against it (she's even suggesting it during one interaction with her). Now, Hana can't accept it as of now, okay. But like I said, well-written characters can change their tunes given the right persuasion. And since there will be scenes with both in the future, and given that the two girls do like each other, I'd say that the possibility to be able to commit to both in the future isn't this far-fetched.

 

[Ottoeight]

Sure I agree, but the possibility to commit to both Hana and Mina ultimately comes down to Hana accepting it, since I don't think Mina would be against it (she's even suggesting it during one interaction with her). Now, Hana can't accept it as of now, okay. But like I said, well-written characters can change their tunes given the right persuasion. And since there will be scenes with both in the future, and given that the two girls do like each other, I'd say that the possibility to be able to commit to both in the future isn't this far-fetched.

You just have to go down the fuckbuddies rabbit hole ( = choosing the fuckbuddies path instead of the boyfriend-girlfriend commitment), bruh.


So, how about calling it quits and stop this nagging of yours, huh?

 

[BlenderGuy]

The character models are made with Honey Select 1.

Thanks! Sorry for the late reply.

 

[PervyParadox]

You just have to go down the fuckbuddies rabbit hole ( = choosing the fuckbuddies path instead of the boyfriend-girlfriend commitment), bruh.


So, how about calling it quits and stop this nagging of yours, huh?

I am merely answering to people quoting my messages. There's no nagging, here. I'd stop answering as soon as people stop quoting me.
And I did choose the fuckbuddy path. I even came clean as to why I was frustrated in the first place. I get it, but thanks for your (unnecessary) advice anyway.

 

[reeroll]

Not sure if it is "focused" on Rosie, but the last Dev diary certainly sounded like there will be a considerable part dedicated to her in the next update:

thanks!

 

[ffive]

Sure I agree, but the possibility to commit to both Hana and Mina ultimately comes down to Hana accepting it, since I don't think Mina would be against it (she's even suggesting it during one interaction with her).

Yes, but the game is quite explicit, per Mina's words, how you might eventually get there: she asks you don't two-time Hana, and that she'd like her own arrangement with you to continue. And Hana is equally explicit she isn't even sure at the moment if she'll be okay with MC fucking club girls, if she and MC got together, and obv. not someone outside of it.

So it basically comes down to having some restraint and not trying to have your cake and eat it too immediately. It's quite likely a FWB Hana might be interested in a casual threesome with MC and Mina (she teases MC about it quite early) and it might maybe even develop into something more down the road, but it's simply not something you just spring on a girl who has just tentatively floated an idea of getting into relationship, or expect her to come to terms with it after she finds out you've been cheating on her for weeks (unless you're a moron, or it's one of those porn games with writing for room temperature iq)