That´s OK, as I said, our different viewpoints lead to a nice, lively discussion, unlike the Felicia bashing currently running in the thread. And I agree we need some more info on van Doren and Sophia Lundgren to truly find out their motives, but we have enough to do some reasonable guesses.Don't worry, you express yourself quite well. I just don't agree with your analysis.
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Realistically, we'll have to wait until we have some solid info on Dr. Van Doren's motives to really sort this out.
I see thanks for your reply, i was worried that downloading the game again would delete the saves I haveYou can just download and extract the update (follow the instruction in the spoiler).
Or you can download the entire game, there is a compressed version.
Your saves should be compatible, anyway.
Did you go for the full deal with Rosalind? I think the full deal fits in with the sadistic Edwin.Played the game the first time a few years ago and after catching up to the current release here are my thoughts:
Without a doubt the best game on this site. There is not much that's not written by others already. The characters, the graphics, the audio, the story. Platinum tier. The smut is unmatched. Surely the fathers of eroge would be proud. (My PP thanks!) The only real thing that feels a bit overlooked is how the content is structured. For players that are mostly interested in the more depraved club side of the game and not so much in the romance routes, the content seems to get less and less and sadly additionally largely centered around the saturday evening. In my main run where I play as a sadistic Edwin (and sadly missed Rosalind's route) there are almost no H-scenes in the more recent updates. It's not like I'm not interested in the main girls, but other than Rosalind's route, they are all centered around being a good Edwin and being opposed to the club and Kathleen. I would have really enjoyed routes with the main cast if they would reflect my Edwin more. I get of course that this would mean writing basically almost 2 routes for each carnation, but maybe there could be ways to splash in shorter events with the carnations/housegirls for evil Edwins like there was in the first week of the game, where he leveraged his position at the club a bit for personal advantage. Especially unfortunate is, that scenes like the Lucy scene of this update, or the toilet stall scene with the blue haired girl, which would fit perfectly for an asshole Edwin, are burried in the good-path romance content of the game where the applicable players won't see them. And those who do will likely prefer Veronica's scene in that instance, for example. I feel small changes to this structure would make the game more satisfying for both audiences. That said, the good-Edwin scenes are really lovely as well.
Seems like we cannot even understand eachothers thought processes.This'll be my final reply on this topic as I move on.
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As they are fictional characters its ok to be very harsh on them as long as the discussion is friendly. Thats the benefit of discussing fictional characters - no one gets hurt by it.That´s OK, as I said, our different viewpoints lead to a nice, lively discussion, unlike the Felicia bashing currently running in the thread.
I think you have to apologize to Rosalind after you fucked her the first time to enter that path, and generally evil players don't want toDid you go for the full deal with Rosalind? I think the full deal fits in with the sadistic Edwin.
I didn't think I'd see anyone who played alpha omega, it's not a bad game, but it didn't take off.Holy fucking shit I just finished update 4 and that revelation at the end had me gasping for air. Has to be one of the best plot-twists (if you can call it that) I've experienced in a few good years, in any media, and I mean it - I tried to get a comparison/analogy and couldn't think of a single one to say it reminded of a similar experience with a show, game or movie - it was AWESOME.
The way theand then the shoe dropped. God damn,You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.You must be registered to see the links, that hag is a fucking monster.
i like felicia the most out of all PC female characters and really, if you say Felicia obliterates Elias's wish, I could say the same with Elias dismissing Felicia's most important thing.The marriage had 2 reasons:
- Respect and reputation for elias
- Wealthy life for felicia
Elias provides felicia the wealthy life, but he denied her one important wish.
Felicia absolutely obliterates elias reputation where it matters most for him - his peers.
So felicia not only destroys the one thing she provided in this marriage, but her actions bring elias' reputation lower than before he married her. It's the equivalent of elias first denying her wish, then divorcing her without giving her anything - and then robbing her of whatever money she had before meeting him.
Thats evil even in a marriage like theirs.
If she just had private sex I wouldn't care and consider it part of their marriage deal (if its true).
i like felicia the most out of all PC female characters and really, if you say Felicia obliterates Elias's wish, I could say the same with Elias dismissing Felicia's most important thing.
To her, the school is not just a school, it was her everything. It's still her everything, she became a patron of arts when she got rich. Whether or not it's Felicia's singular request to Elias, you can't deny your marriage partner's most sincere wish like that when Felicia herself said granting it wouldn't affect Elias's net worth.
Think of how small Felicia felt when that request was denied. Felicia know they were never equal but for him to just dismiss her that way, that's just wrong even if she's a trophy wife.
So felicia not only destroys the one thing she provided in this marriage, but her actions bring elias' reputation lower than before he married her. It's the equivalent of elias first denying her wish, then divorcing her without giving her anything - and then robbing her of whatever money she had before meeting him.
Think of how small Felicia felt when that request was denied.
It depends, did you side with Amber Heard and not Johnny Depp?Plus us men usually having the tendency to side with the girl and villanize the guy in any given situation anyway.
It depends, did you side with Amber Heard and not Johnny Depp?
But Felicia didnt want him to cuddle with her and ease her worries like a loving would do, she wanted what she always expected from him....money and he refused for (until we learn his side of the events) aperently no good reason. I've seen people describe their marriages as a deal where both get something from each other, but paint Felicia as the one that broke the deal. I would argue that Elias broke it first when he showed that he could deny her whatever he wanted for whatever reason he wanted.Felicia seems like the vengeful wife who wants to get back at her husband for not getting what she wanted, even though the price of being a gold digger and consciously entering a marriage as a such is that your husband most likely does not love you, does not really care about you much as a person, but only cares about other things. Felicia never loved him, but married him for his money, and that surely showed in her behaviour as well - even though she does of course not tell us that. So its a bit strange to expect from elias to behave towards felicia like she would be the devoted and loving virgin wife of an honest marriage. She fucks around and that makes men cold hearted - no matter if there is an agreement or not. I think she should take accountability of her life choices and stop playing the innocent victim that got treated unjustly. She could have married a poor man that really loved her. But she chose to be a gold digger. And thats how elias treats her.
I think this bias goes both ways, because there is also a tendecy to overcompensate by dismissing any support towards a girl as simping or , in the case of game and anime, waifu loving fanboyism. The best example in my mind is when Fire Emble: Three Houses was released and any fan of Edelgard would be labeled a waifuloving nazi no matter how many essays they write explaining their reasoning. The funny thing about that example was that there are characters like Lelouch that are both male and more beloved than Edelgard despite being more radical, another example would be Askeladd from Vinland saga.Plus us men usually having the tendency to side with the girl and villanize the guy in any given situation anyway
But Felicia didnt want him to cuddle with her and ease her worries like a loving would do, she wanted what she always expected from him....money and he refused for (until we learned his side of the events) aperently no good reason. I've seen people describe their marriages as a deal where both get something from each other, but paint Felicia as the one that broke the deal. I would argue that Elias broke it first when he showed that he could deny her whatever he wanted for whatever reason he wanted.
All the times Elias upheld his end of the deal were insignificant to the one time he didnt, that was the one time it mattered the most to her.
He made Felicia realise that the conditions of their agreement were no longer on her best interest nor the best she could do, so she did what any ambitious goldigger would do in that situation and searched for a better oportunity.
Be it for love, looks or money, every relationship needs a minimum of respect or resentment will build up until it becomes hatred. If Felicia was loyal but would disrepect him and tried to made him misserable at every turn that would not be something he would like that much, despite still having exclusive acces to beautiful inteligent woman, and might re-consider their agreement.
Felicia is no saint and Elias probably is no the devil but based what we know and have seen about their relationship, i have no reason to feel any kind of sympathy for him. You want a loyal whore? pay the freaking whore, otherwise you might find youself being the joke of the town.
I think this bias goes both ways, because there is also a tendecy to overcompensate by dismissing any support towards a girl as simping or , in the case of game and anime, waifu loving fanboyism. The best example in my mind is when Fire Emble: Three Houses was released and any fan of Edelgard would be labeled a waifuloving nazi no matter how many essays they write explaining their reasoning. The funny thing about that example was that there are characters like Lelouch that are both male and more beloved tha Edelgard despite being more radical.
But Felicia didnt want him to cuddle with her and ease her worries like a loving would do, she wanted what she always expected from him....money and he refused for (until we learn his side of the events) aperently no good reason. I've seen people describe their marriages as a deal where both get something from each other, but paint Felicia as the one that broke the deal. I would argue that Elias broke it first when he showed that he could deny her whatever he wanted for whatever reason he wanted.
All the times Elias upheld his end of the deal were insignificant to the one time he didnt, that was the one time it mattered the most to her.
He made Felicia realise that the conditions of their agreement were no longer on her best interest nor the best she could do, so she did what any ambitious goldigger would do in that situation and searched for a better oportunity.
Be it for love, looks or money, every relationship needs a minimum of respect or resentment will build up until it becomes hatred. If Felicia was loyal but would disrepect him and tried to made him misserable at every turn that would not be something he would like that much, despite still having exclusive acces to beautiful inteligent woman, and might re-consider their agreement.
Felicia is no saint and Elias probably is no the devil but based what we know and have seen about their relationship, i have no reason to feel any kind of sympathy for him. You want a loyal whore? pay the freaking whore, otherwise you might find youself being the joke of the town.
I think this bias goes both ways, because there is also a tendecy to overcompensate by dismissing any support towards a girl as simping or , in the case of game and anime, waifu loving fanboyism. The best example in my mind is when Fire Emble: Three Houses was released and any fan of Edelgard would be labeled a waifuloving nazi no matter how many essays they write explaining their reasoning. The funny thing about that example was that there are characters like Lelouch that are both male and more beloved than Edelgard despite being more radical, another example would be Askeladd from Vinland saga.
I’m not in the know about future pregnancies. but there is a pregnant woman there. she is there pleasuring someone or is a brothel worker (as I remember)I have 2 questions: I've seen this game in pregnancy tags, but now it's gone, is there it or not? If not, are there plans to include it in the future?
i just want to remark that thats an extremely subjective analysis, i think that evil much more than being extremely cruel to someone you hate with a reason(good or bad). I could try paint Elias indiference as a sing of evil since her wife's wish would also affect the young people of her hometown but in all honesty i feel like that would be reaching. Evil is a strong word and personally the worst adjeactive that could pin into either of them is selfish or self-centered but i would definetely not call either of them evil.Even if elias was the first who ever did wrong in their marriage, it's an evil deed by felicia to participate in something so outrageous in the club, things that are purposefully designed to utterly humiliate her husband in front of his peers. She might not have been expecting those things when she joined, but she still does them now. That's an evil woman for me. Denying an important wish is not even in the same ballpark.
If we reversed the roles, this would be an example:
Felicia denies elias wish to stay a trophy wife by stopping to work out and therefor getting fat. In response elias looks for a new trophy wife by bulldozing the art school and building a model agency there.