VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Xythurr]

I mean, it's a fair point of discussion. Besides mean words making my pp hard, the game is about culpability.
And, obviously, in a real life context Felicia is an "unscrupulous" woman. However you want to take that.

Plus, the scripture quoting was a good bit, given where we are.

...but y'all are ganging up my baby as the author, I am contractually obligated to pretend there's nuance and layers, and "evil" or even just "bad" is an awfully black-and-white denouncement in relation to the scenario. Even when you divorce that from people breaking out grandpa-level feminism memes.

Since the question of "what has Elias done" has come up a couple of times and no one has touched upon it... besides his purported philandering, you do catch a glimpse of Elias blackmailing one of his clients in the interview scene. It's why Felicia is so put off if you try to blackmail the art critic in the last update, as it puts a dent in her escapism.

They also have an understanding about "fucking around," although the club stuff is obviously beyond the pale as it careens into personal embarrassment.

None of that is in support of Felicia's moral character, of course. She made her bed, and takes responsibility for it, but that doesn't mean sympathy for her is unwarranted or misplaced. We all have our foibles, and she's just the victim of being in a porn game.

I fully agree but she is still a shitty person who does shitty things for money. I DO feel some sympathy but she is where she is by her own choice. All that said I really enjoy her complexity and as I've said everybody I've seen in the game wouldn't really be considered a "good" person by any measure.
It's a testament to the quality writing that these characters have such believable depth and can inspire such discussion.
Calling a spade a spade isn't ganging up neither is responding to some guy getting all emotional and tossing personal insults about opinions he doesn't like.

Again great game!


P.S. Felicia is probably also my fave character with Mina pressing in.

 

[Randomguy3478]

We all have our foibles, and she's just the victim of being in a porn game.

lol that one got me

I'm for compassion and mercy as well. But as the characters here are fictional it's an especially good chance to keep it real regarding behaviour - without an actual being suffering under it.

 

[BarbarianBallet]

I installed the new update but it's kicking me out of the game in the same spot. "You have reached the end of this build."

 

[Ottoeight]

She still works for a newspaper.

That remains to be seen, and it has been theorized that that's what her anger score points to.

Ok? That doesn't invalidate anything I said, and we get 2 or 3 days at most an update.

Fine. You can believe whatever you want to believe even though it doesn't make sense at all.

Some of y'all make it ridiculously obvious you are KVs. I suppose that's a good thing, the world has too many a-holes in it already, wouldn't want you to accidentally breed.

I've totally lost you. What the hell is a KV?

a Kilovolt?
the Flow factor parameter?
the Motor velocity constant?
the catalogue of Mozart's compositions?

 

[Randomguy3478]

Got around to read half through the threesome with mina and fel and the visuals are really good. Everything is so crisp and clear. Edwins mimics are incredible. The way minas nipple moves. I know no other game that comes even close to making the characters so alive with its visuals. Just the way Edwin sits says everything about his current state. And the bodies of the two girls hit the perfect spot of believable but insanely hot.

The writing of the scene is excellent as well. The taste doesn't click with me, and its a pity as there is no western AVN writer around who comes even in the vicinity of TD's H-scene writing, but I really buy it when Edwin fires off a confident command, or makes mina temporarily fall into submissive admiration. The eroticism is just unmatched.

Thanks for the tremendous effort.

 

[Randomguy3478]

PS: Edwin the Gunslinger was funny

 

[Turret]

Everything we know about her we know from her... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Doubt she's lying and exaggerating to us about her own wrong deeds.

People are not perfect, but not every woman prostitutes herself to live the high life she wants to. She is cheating on her husband in front of his peers, and is about to do it while he is there in person.

Whats his worst deed?

Letting the cheating gold digger still live with him i guess... i would've thrown that bitch on the streets a long time ago Lol

As for him being "bad" maybe he is maybe hes not... we haven't seen anything really but lets not forgot SHE deliberately put herself in that relationship for the MONEY she's free to leave whenever she wants Lol Shes not stuck in a abusive relationship or anything she's willing there just for the money Lol not only is she using the poor bastard she isn't even faithful and spending HIS money on "sugar babies"

she is objectively the "bad" one in this relationship

What you two choose to completely overlook in your Felicia bashing are some facts you can gleam from the game.

- Elias and Felicia have a prenup and an agreement for boys/girls on the side. So Feli being with the MC is not really a problem and I do not count Elias´ sidegirl against him, since they have this agreement.

- Elias is a blackmailer, who blackmails several of his clients, which is a reason Felicia is against using blackmail on the unreasonable art critic. Felicia has some standards.

- And one of the biggest points counting against Elias is him not helping felicia with the school. Felicia would not even be at PC had he helped her out with the school. Elias would have gained her full loyalty had he done so. As we learned through the game, Elias is rich enough to pay the sum for saving the school from flippantly speaking the post stamp money.
He knew how important that school is for Felicia, he could have saved it with a (for him) neglible sum of money, gotten great PR in addition and the full loyalty of Felicia. Feli might be a golddigger, but even just from a business sight this would have been the choice to do. Elias did not.

While Felicia is not free of failings (which she does admit to), Elias is the bad one here. At the end of the day, when it comes to the girls of PC, Felicia, Hana and Sophia for the win! They are the most interesting girls in the game, the others are really good too, but these three are the top.

 

[stormhawk]

gallery unlock

 

[stormhawk]

or full save with persistent

 

[dolfe67]

What I want to know is, how did MC make the finishing touch on the painting, when he doesn't know what pattern she drew on him? It's on his own face, how did did he see it?

Good point lol. It's like when you see the photo of a couple in secluded area but the dev/writer forgot that someone has to take that photo ^^

 

[Deviton123]

Does anyone have a save file? Mine got corrupted.

 

[Turret]

That is an opinion you are having.

While my Top 3 girls of PC are personal opinion and tastes, the things I mentioned about Elias and Feli´s relationship are facts you can find out in the game. So a "That is an opinion" does not cut it as a counter argument.

 

[MacLovin']

I’m playing this for the second time and it is still absolutely GOATed.
I have played tons of games on this site and nothing even comes close. Who knew a HS game would end up my favorite of all time?

 

[ZackCoffeeTime]

Any plans for Incest patch with the mom. I would love that to be part of the story.

 

[Takkatakka]

Any plans for Incest patch with the mom. I would love that to be part of the story.

There will be no incest with the mom at any point, according to the developers.

 

[Nulldev]

We all have our foibles, and she's just the victim of being in a porn game.

 

[Dimitri57]

Ahahaha, bro! how did you get here

Decided to light a fire here

Hey MAGO-DAG!

Bruh, a story with a hot, pierced and tatted up biker chick?

That's right in my wheelhouse!

I have to decompress and recharge the creative juices from time to time.

PC is one of my favs to do that.

The writing is on point, and I like stories with complex story arcs and characters.

 

[fafa123554]

how long does an update for this game usually take? Also does anyone know of any other 3d game with good looking character models like this?

 

[ename144]

While I do feel bad that the new update leaked so rapidly, I still went ahead and played the hell out of it; hypocrisy is a core theme to the game, right? It's a good thing too, given how long it's taken me to get this all written up. Sorry for the delay, it's just been a very hectic week.

Anyway, this was definitely a very strong update. I thought it did an excellent job handling the 'downtime' between big sex scenes by giving us some deep looks into Chuck, Hana, August, and Felicia, as well as an unexpected pairings in Ian and Rose and Hana and Mina. We even got a small dose of Ian and Hana interacting as coworkers. It does a great job setting the stage for the impending doom that is definitely befalling the Club in the near future. The only real downside is that we got very little content for Veronica and Victoria, but I can't expect the game to be about my favorites all the time.

Felicia, of course, gets the lion's share of the focus (assuming you're on her path), culminating in a bunch of very intricate sex scenes. Felicia isn't my favorite, but I think what we got here works somewhere between well and fantastically well depending on exactly which route you take through her content. And there are certainly plenty of interesting reveals to ponder as we wait to see what Part 5 will have in store for us.

To that end, let's get into the spoiler-filled details.

Spoiler: Hana (and August)

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Spoiler: Dr. Chuck

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Spoiler: Ian and Rose

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Spoiler: Felicia

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Spoiler: Felicia and Mina

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Spoiler: Scenes without the MC Present

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And with that I think we are finally done. Sorry for the excessive length, but there was a lot to cover here, and almost all of it was good. I'd say the update was definitely worth the long wait.

tl;dr Excellent character moments that advance the plot, good-to-great sex scenes for a bunch of paths, and plenty of intrigue for the future. I definitely recommend the update, despite the scarcity of Veronica and Victoria content.

 

[TheLoneReader]

God Dammit. I love this game.

The writing is spectacular, the premise is plausible, and the humanitization of every character is top-tier.

Mutt/Jeff, you motherfuckers are legendary.