No, Kat didn't state she wants to turn Hana into a carnation. She wants to manipulate her but to be able to do what she wants with the club (either Hana do nothing with the club and sells her share, or she keeps her share but obey Kat for club's decisions).
Hana might participate in the carnation events though, as the same role as Kat.
No, Kat didn't state she wants to turn Hana into a carnation. She wants to manipulate her but to be able to do what she wants with the club (either Hana do nothing with the club and sells her share, or she keeps her share but obey Kat for club's decisions).
Hana might participate in the carnation events though, as the same role as Kat.
Yeah it's pretty obvious that Kat's making a play to remove the 2 other owners. My guess is that she wanted the mc to make the club attractive enough to finally take her dad's shares that he's offering. After she gets the shares Kat will either try to get her to sell them to her or atleast make her think Kat is the better option to side with over her dad. I think the real reason Kat has been trying to nurture the mc is because Chuck wanted to give Ian shares as well but he's such a fuck up/not ready even Chuck knows that's a bad idea.
I'm thinking toward the end Kat takes over with the backing of mc and Hana/ their shares. Or Kat, Chuck and Aug are replaced by mc, Ian and Hana.
Yeah it's pretty obvious that Kat's making a play to remove the 2 other owners. My guess is that she wanted the mc to make the club attractive enough to finally take her dad's shares that he's offering. After she gets the shares Kat will either try to get her to sell them to her or atleast make her think Kat is the better option to side with over her dad. I think the real reason Kat has been trying to nurture the mc is because Chuck wanted to give Ian shares as well but he's such a fuck up/not ready even Chuck knows that's a bad idea.
I'm thinking toward the end Kat takes over with the backing of mc and Hana/ their shares. Or Kat, Chuck and Aug are replaced by mc, Ian and Hana.
I think any of kats plans regarding going against chuck and august would have been around before edwin joined the club and her plan involved knowing that hana would think Edwin is "attractive" (either "hot" or "attractive/good" enough to stake her entire future in a very very illegal business would be a pretty insane plan especially considering you can lower Hana's affection and raise her anger which seems like a risk kath would want to avoid (giving hana more reason to dislike the club)
Has there been anything in story showing that Chuck would want to give Ian his shares (beyond chuck being a family first guy)? Hana "needs" the money both in the short and long term and august even mentions something about him reflecting on his life recently to Edwin whereas chuck is as reflective as a slab of wet concrete, also Ian is not a guarantee at the club (in the future) either since he has the possibility to be more introspective in the recent updates.
iirc there will be two "paths" that endings will branch off from either Edwin wanting to stay as part of the club or Edwin attempting to leave it so both/either your proposed endings could happen
I think any of kats plans regarding going against chuck and august would have been around before edwin joined the club and her plan involved knowing that hana would think Edwin is "attractive" (either "hot" or "attractive/good" enough to stake her entire future in a very very illegal business would be a pretty insane plan especially considering you can lower Hana's affection and raise her anger which seems like a risk kath would want to avoid (giving hana more reason to dislike the club)
Has there been anything in story showing that Chuck would want to give Ian his shares (beyond chuck being a family first guy)? Hana "needs" the money both in the short and long term and august even mentions something about him reflecting on his life recently to Edwin whereas chuck is as reflective as a slab of wet concrete, also Ian is not a guarantee at the club (in the future) either since he has the possibility to be more introspective in the recent updates.
iirc there will be two "paths" that endings will branch off from either Edwin wanting to stay as part of the club or Edwin attempting to leave it so both/either your proposed endings could happen
It's been a while but when Hana decides to be more active in the club and talks of receiving some of Aug's shares Ian asks Chuck why hasn't he done something like that for him and Chuck responds that Ian hasn't shown that he's ready for that responsibility.
Kat was using mc to show Hana that something good could come from the club. She also thought her friendship with him would stop her outbursts that could put the club in danger(band incident). She was trying to find a way to deal with her even tho her hands were tied and the mc was a great benefit to her. Hana's anger would be the reason she'd sell Kat her shares as a final screw you to her dad. She'd have enough money for herself and to care for her mom without needing to depend on her dad.
Yeah I can see the mc either staying or going depending on choices made in the game. When I say that the trio would take over I dintbthink the club would stay exactly the same. Like they might still have Carnations competitions but they'd help all 3 at the end. Like a more humane version of the current club.
Yeah Felicia is a tough one for me. The others are doing this because they're desperate but Felicia seems to just want to get back at her husband. It's like what would she even do as a member? Would she help fund the thing if it's reformed under the trio? Take Kat's role of bringing in Carnations who would actually want to be there? It's like I really want to help the others and Felicia doesnt need the club to solve her problems which seem to be a dead marriage and self esteem issues.
Yeah Felicia is a tough one for me. The others are doing this because they're desperate but Felicia seems to just want to get back at her husband. It's like what would she even do as a member? Would she help fund the thing if it's reformed under the trio? Take Kat's role of bringing in Carnations who would actually want to be there? It's like I really want to help the others and Felicia doesnt need the club to solve her problems which seem to be a dead marriage and self esteem issues.
I wonder if they could make it more humane while still having people pay for it but all ending speculations change pretty heavily every update so who knows?
I read Felicia as trying to get "power" that is hers instead of her husbands. Sure she gets whatever she could possibly want but was given no chance to do something she actually wanted despite it not even being a direct benefit to her and that it would have been easy to solve (the school she mentions) hit her pretty hard. There might be other ways perhpas even better ways to get "power" but she enjoys sex, her husband is kind of a dick, and I doubt Ian was 100% transparent about how much sadism was involved at the club (probably didn't mention shock batons)
However I personally think her "prize" is by far the best of the 3.
Rose paying off the debts (and none of the debt collectors being shady and trying to collect later/the huge risk (to her) that her daughter finds out) comes out at a net zero
Veronicas gym stuff being resolved MAYBE puts her at 0 (but learning that literally the last few months of her life has been a game for samson to fuck her is pretty soul crushing especially after the competition)
Felica getting connections (if nobody else Chuck understands/respects/will tell people to shut up so he can watch her) not only right now but for possibly years puts her tangibly ahead of where she started. Probably not the smartest play but damnit if it isn't the most interesting.
I think any of kats plans regarding going against chuck and august would have been around before edwin joined the club and her plan involved knowing that hana would think Edwin is "attractive" (either "hot" or "attractive/good" enough to stake her entire future in a very very illegal business would be a pretty insane plan especially considering you can lower Hana's affection and raise her anger which seems like a risk kath would want to avoid (giving hana more reason to dislike the club)
Has there been anything in story showing that Chuck would want to give Ian his shares (beyond chuck being a family first guy)? Hana "needs" the money both in the short and long term and august even mentions something about him reflecting on his life recently to Edwin whereas chuck is as reflective as a slab of wet concrete, also Ian is not a guarantee at the club (in the future) either since he has the possibility to be more introspective in the recent updates.
iirc there will be two "paths" that endings will branch off from either Edwin wanting to stay as part of the club or Edwin attempting to leave it so both/either your proposed endings could happen
Kat's plan is either a) keep her job, ideally while gaining more liberty to run things as she pleases, or b) ensure her legacy in the club. She knows Hana is morally/ethically against the club, but since August has named her as his heir, Kat needs to ensure that 1st) Hana doesn't shut down the club completely, 2nd) Hana doesn't stop the Carnations Competition, and if possible 3) grant Kat more leeway than she ever had under August and Chuck. She also takes every opportunity and uses every strategy afforded to her, so if Edwin offers an opportunity to sway Hana toward her goals, Kat won't hesitate.
Both August and Chuck are actually self-reflective, but since their lives have (allegedly) taken different paths, they've come to different conclusions. August sees that he's done so little good that he must recompense for all his evils, while Chuck realizes that he has so little time left to state his lusts, rather than spreading out that enjoyment across a lifetime (which he regrets). Although Chuck's death is likely closer than August's, the mobster's guilt presses him to be more zealous in paying off his debt than Chuck's "eat, drink, and be horny, for tomorrow I literally will die." So if both men are looking at their final moments, and August has already been making moves, Chuck is definitely thinking about his place in the club, and what his death would mean, but naturally this isn't something he would advertise, or open up about until the only correct moment (which may be the reading of his will). The other reason not to name his heir yet is because it's uncertain. Like you said: neither Ian's nor Edwin's long-term futures with the club seem certain, and not because they will be fired, but because neither yet seem interested/motivated to make the club a permanent feature in their lives. Ian certainly matches Chuck's current hedonism, but he lacks any drive beyond that, so not exactly apt to inherit a third of the management/administration of the club. Edwin reminds Chuck a lot of his younger self, especially the drive to become a doctor, thus he does share his regrets of not embracing this perverted side of him when he was full of youthful energy and vigor, to direct Edwin not to make the same mistake. However, Victoria's history causes concern over Edwin's psychology, and what he would do were he given "the keys to the kingdom"; plus Chuck's no doubt concerned about Kat influencing the young man, so naming him heir is not a given either.
Yes, I agree that it's not a given that Hana-Ian-Edwin will become the new management. Kat doesn't strike me as willing to retire any time soon, and Edwin is more of a future ally to her, an additional voice to let Kat run things her way, rather than a dynastic successor. August is guaranteed to be handing over his power, position, and investment to Hana. Chuck indeed has made no inferences to his inheritance, but he has clearly shown that he has been thinking about his inevitable demise, thus leading to fan speculation over what his plan/goal is post-mortem. Although TD is nowhere near as heavy-handed as Tess in "Karlssons Gambit", there have been a few hypothetical musings about what Edwin would do if he were in charge (like effectively confessing to Dahlia in the sauna that he would have better protections for the house girls), so TD is inferring this to be a possible player-choice future. Whether Ian is the third executive, or takes over if Edwin/player walks away, or is not involved at all, or if these are each player-dependent, is known only to TD and GIL at this point.
I think Kat's long term plan was always to get rid of August, as he's a hardline businessman that barely tolerates Kat's frivolous games that he sees as a waste of money, as the Club made money and connections regardless, by prostuting the girls. August is a straightforward person, he's in the ho business for the money, girls and partying. Chuck is probably also there just to get his rocks off, and probably doesn't pose much threat to Kat's plans as long as he gets to join in on the fun occasionaly. Kat seems a lot more ideological than those two, and she seems to get off on the psychological torture and humilliation more that the actual sex part. We also know that she doesn't care about profits much, as she's laundering money from her sister's charity, and the club is more of a hobby for her, while for August, the club is his livelihood.
Obviously, Kat can't get rid of August directly, as one of his mafia associates would probably take over, and they wouldn't be as understanding towards Kat. That's where Hana comes in, as she can use Hana to indirectly dethrone August, because as long as his shares go to Hana, Kat is the winner, as Hana is a lot more naive and easy to manipulate than August. Edwin is the only variable here. Him joining the club is the biggest stroke of luck, or the biggest curse for Kat, depending on how you play him. Kat's current play seems to be to use Edwin's budding relationship with Hana to make the Club more attractive to her, and is hoping her daddy issues have made her inclined to get back at August for years of neglect.
I wonder if they could make it more humane while still having people pay for it but all ending speculations change pretty heavily every update so who knows?
I read Felicia as trying to get "power" that is hers instead of her husbands. Sure she gets whatever she could possibly want but was given no chance to do something she actually wanted despite it not even being a direct benefit to her and that it would have been easy to solve (the school she mentions) hit her pretty hard. There might be other ways perhpas even better ways to get "power" but she enjoys sex, her husband is kind of a dick, and I doubt Ian was 100% transparent about how much sadism was involved at the club (probably didn't mention shock batons)
However I personally think her "prize" is by far the best of the 3.
Rose paying off the debts (and none of the debt collectors being shady and trying to collect later/the huge risk (to her) that her daughter finds out) comes out at a net zero
Veronicas gym stuff being resolved MAYBE puts her at 0 (but learning that literally the last few months of her life has been a game for samson to fuck her is pretty soul crushing especially after the competition)
Felica getting connections (if nobody else Chuck understands/respects/will tell people to shut up so he can watch her) not only right now but for possibly years puts her tangibly ahead of where she started. Probably not the smartest play but damnit if it isn't the most interesting.
Felicia doesn't even know that the others are only in the competition due to desperation and not perverse fun. I don't think her prize is power in the traditional sense. It seems she had devalued herself to the point where she only believes her body is important and her intellect is not important. Winning a seat with so many powerful people is the boost to her ego that she's looking for.
I agree with basically every point made about Kath its just the way the post I quoted made it sound (to me) was that it was all part of plan which is a far cry from her just being smart about the current situation.
I feel like August is closer to kicking the bucket if for no other reason than Van Doren wont let chuck die until he "beats" him but chuck playing it close to vest brings up an interesting question: if he left it to the last minute (his will) would his wishes even line up with the person he named? Ian and Edwin are the most obvious and Edwin (the player) will 99.99999% have the choice to leave the club. Even if Edwin wants to leave but is forced to stay as a "successor" how would they ensure he is doing "a good job"? but like you say this is far future stuff so really we are just having some fun throwing darts
Felicia doesn't even know that the others are only in the competition due to desperation and not perverse fun. I don't think her prize is power in the traditional sense. It seems she had devalued herself to the point where she only believes her body is important and her intellect is not important. Winning a seat with so many powerful people is the boost to her ego that she's looking for.
uhhhhh unless I really read it wrong I think you are wrong
1. The girls reasons for joining aren't exactly secret? i am pretty sure Kathleen has also mentioned why the others are up there during their shows, oh and when she tells edwin her reason for joining he laughs and says something along the lines of "if its you, pulling something this crazy off might be possible" (on her friends roof) which wouldnt make sense if she was in for the same reasons that Rose/Veronica was
2. iirc she more or less says (same convo on her friends roof) that she wants connections/power/ability to do stuff for herself
3. If its to do with her ego (from self esteem related to body) then why would she mention a school as the thing that kicked this off? Did she think that if she was hotter her husband would have approved the donation/grant or whatever?
4. where does she say that only her body is important and that her mind isn't? That flies in the face of the scene of Edwin fingering her at the end of the 2nd show. She isnt just her body (like rose and veronica are just up there because they are sexy they don't want to be) because on some level Felica wants to be there (simialr to how Edwin is on stage), she is embracing herself (the reason why chuck tells the others to shut the hell up) which you cant do if you only value part of yourself......
