YuNobi1

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Tl;dr: ...and Edwin's too big of a variable to reliably plan around.
I strongly disagree. Kat's commentary on Edwin, both when he's in and out of the room, run the attitude of "this boy is a marionette, and everyone can see his easily pulled strings but him." He doesn't realize how malleable he truly is be the likes of Ian and Chuck, and even with people he doesn't like, Edwin's strings can still be pulled by intentionally triggering his adversity (i.e. want Edwin to get angry, send him to Sampson). Chuck obviously wants to maintain the "there are no strings" illusion, and Edwin is so oblivious to it that his natural response is to lash out when somebody points out the strings, as he does with Kat and Abel. Of course he's right to then question if by pointing out some strings, the conspirators are themselves inevitably pulling on other strings, thus his search for Kat's and Abel's respective end-goals. Even Edwin is now starting to realize the pull strings, but he's not considering all the puppeteers, nor their full intentions. Now does Kat merely believe that Pinocchio's strings should be cut, while gaining what use she can out of an asset like Edwin, or does she believe that by empowering his sadism he will become even more controllable by her, I don't know yet.

All that to say: Edwin is NOT an uncontrollable variable. Yes he may make a few individual choices that aren't in Kat's favor, but she's still herding him within the boundaries of her overall plan, whatever that may be. Whether aligning or resisting her, nothing Edwin has decided thus far can disrupt Kat's trajectory (except maybe fueling Hana's general anger and specific hatred of the Club, but that's too far ahead to predict final results).
 

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I strongly disagree. Kat's commentary on Edwin, both when he's in and out of the room, run the attitude of "this boy is a marionette, and everyone can see his easily pulled strings but him." He doesn't realize how malleable he truly is be the likes of Ian and Chuck, and even with people he doesn't like, Edwin's strings can still be pulled by intentionally triggering his adversity (i.e. want Edwin to get angry, send him to Sampson). Chuck obviously wants to maintain the "there are no strings" illusion, and Edwin is so oblivious to it that his natural response is to lash out when somebody points out the strings, as he does with Kat and Abel. Of course he's right to then question if by pointing out some strings, the conspirators are themselves inevitably pulling on other strings, thus his search for Kat's and Abel's respective end-goals. Even Edwin is now starting to realize the pull strings, but he's not considering all the puppeteers, nor their full intentions. Now does Kat merely believe that Pinocchio's strings should be cut, while gaining what use she can out of an asset like Edwin, or does she believe that by empowering his sadism he will become even more controllable by her, I don't know yet.

All that to say: Edwin is NOT an uncontrollable variable. Yes he may make a few individual choices that aren't in Kat's favor, but she's still herding him within the boundaries of her overall plan, whatever that may be. Whether aligning or resisting her, nothing Edwin has decided thus far can disrupt Kat's trajectory (except maybe fueling Hana's general anger and specific hatred of the Club, but that's too far ahead to predict final results).
That begs the question: what are Chuck's motives? He's by far the most mysterious character in the game. It makes no sense to pay someone's whole tuition just so they can help around at your sex club, and it's a huge gamble to reveal the club to Edwin because his prior relationship with Edwin was based on the "professor Chuck" mask. Chuck might as well have paid his tuition for free, because the only people pulling Edwin's strings are Kat and Abel. Chuck seems to have no dog in the race, and Edwin's closest supervisor, Kat, seems to work against both Chuck's and August's interests. If he genuinely likes Edwin and wants him to succeed, it seems stupid to reveal himself as an old pervert.

Maybe in his fucked up brain he IS showing love for Edwin and looking out for him. Maybe he offered Edwin the job to make Ian happy. Maybe the theory that August used to pimp Victoria out to men like Chuck is true and he gets sick pleasure out of involving her son in the family business. Vicky certainly seemed unsettled when talking about Chuck, and wouldn't elaborate why. Perhaps she experienced "uncle Chuck's" perversions first hand. Or it could be anything else.

Chuck's motivations may be the final puzzle piece for the endgame, and we still know nothing. We can't analyze Edwin's place on the chessboard properly if we don't know what all the players want, after all. Because if all there is to Chuck is an old pervert, it makes no sense for him to drag some random kid he used to teach into the club. If he's looking for an heir, he already molded Ian into a carbon copy of himself. What use would he have for a shut in loser like Edwin. We have no idea if Chuck is pulling Edwin's strings, and if he is, for what purpose?
 

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Approximately how long is there a delay between each update? 6 months ? How many scenes more or less?
 

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Ungawa

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So just finished the content in my playthrough, it's not finalized thoughts and I haven't been here a while. Main stuff is that I'm seeing where most of the characters are going and the dual twist where I like it. Mostly did a blind playthrough. Still solid, well worth the replays (which are coming) and I still have to decide on a system and process that makes sense because the saves are all over the place. For the most part, I have to do ONE more run where I'm unlocking the content, THEN I'm doing my ideal runs. Still haven't quite gotten to THAT part yet so...

Gonna do one more runthrough where I focus on interviewing Rosalind and a few other things. Also need to change Edwin to a social chameleon to get those last few videos to unlock.

Then I'll write the big review of how I see it so far...

That begs the question: what are Chuck's motives? He's by far the most mysterious character in the game. It makes no sense to pay someone's whole tuition just so they can help around at your sex club, and it's a huge gamble to reveal the club to Edwin because his prior relationship with Edwin was based on the "professor Chuck" mask. Chuck might as well have paid his tuition for free, because the only people pulling Edwin's strings are Kat and Abel. Chuck seems to have no dog in the race, and Edwin's closest supervisor, Kat, seems to work against both Chuck's and August's interests. If he genuinely likes Edwin and wants him to succeed, it seems stupid to reveal himself as an old pervert.

Maybe in his fucked up brain he IS showing love for Edwin and looking out for him. Maybe he offered Edwin the job to make Ian happy. Maybe the theory that August used to pimp Victoria out to men like Chuck is true and he gets sick pleasure out of involving her son in the family business. Vicky certainly seemed unsettled when talking about Chuck, and wouldn't elaborate why. Perhaps she experienced "uncle Chuck's" perversions first hand. Or it could be anything else.

Chuck's motivations may be the final puzzle piece for the endgame, and we still know nothing. We can't analyze Edwin's place on the chessboard properly if we don't know what all the players want, after all. Because if all there is to Chuck is an old pervert, it makes no sense for him to drag some random kid he used to teach into the club. If he's looking for an heir, he already molded Ian into a carbon copy of himself. What use would he have for a shut in loser like Edwin. We have no idea if Chuck is pulling Edwin's strings, and if he is, for what purpose?
Chuck is more or less taking care of family. While he's a hedonist, he doesn't get along with August because August is small time compared to him. He believes that the women and the pleasure is something for young men with the high clientele enjoying the pleasures of the flesh.

In a sense, Chuck is Zeus in Olympus enjoying the ambrosia. Remember, he's constantly pointed out that Edwin is family to Kat and others. And even though he's molded Ian into his image and forced him to be cultured with the games of intellect (chess, Go), Ian has not matured in his eyes due to his own hangups.
 

Ottoeight

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Good game. Really good game. But I imagine not to install 2 mods and not to manually full remake interface ui to make it playable.
I have no clue of what you're trying to tell us. o_O

I'm just wondering whether you are imagining or you are not imagining. Most of all, what are you imagining?

I guess our bro who liked your post will know the answer.
 
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