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Not really. At least depending on background Edwin's issue in the past was excessive anger and the ways he'd give in to it, not lack of emotions. His mother taught him to control his emotions and to lie to people he despised about his feelings towards them (which i guess is the base for social chameleon or butterfly traits)
There is some variance here due to the background stuff we can choose for him. Edwin can be detached and/or being emotional. But his partial and sometimes detachment (which he shares with a certain doctor) is something he mentioned a couple times in inner monologue. It is debatable if he always had this trait or learned it due to his turbulent past, but it is there occasionally.
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It also depends on how you play him. Sure, his morals are questionable no matter how you play it, since...you know...he works for his personal benefit in a sex club that exploits women, but he can still try to make it as comfortable as possible for the carnations and he can try to help the women of the club wherever possible or he can just be a total ass. So I would claim that there is at least some "moral continuum" to Edwin depending on the player's choices.
I certainly agree with you here. We have quite a span how we play the MC, from really nice to total douche.
The three LIs (Hana, Felicia, Sophia) I find most fitting, as named in posts above are for a "goodish" Edwin, meaning low to medium (at max) "asshole score", trying to comfort the pressure the Carnations feel, helping the women there when he can.
Guys, need 'elp.
Playing the game again after a long time from the start.
Is there a way for Mina to remain Killian's girlfriend AND for us to have every sex scene with her?
I think I saw this path in the walkthrough a long time ago - thought I'd try it out later - but can't seem to find it now.
Playing the game again after a long time from the start.
Is there a way for Mina to remain Killian's girlfriend AND for us to have every sex scene with her?
I think I saw this path in the walkthrough a long time ago - thought I'd try it out later - but can't seem to find it now.
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Even though she's eager to "experiment", Mina's not a two-timer.
Therefore, as pinuz1 just told you, this simply won't do.
Hmm... I could swear I saw the option.
But oh well, maybe it's just something like a deja vu.
This is exactly it. The story may revolve around the exhibitions (although I would argue that it revolves around the Carnations and their problems/goals and the exhibitions are their means to an end), but that isn't what the story is. That's where a good portion of the porn comes in, especially the kinky stuff, but that's porn, not story. The story is everything else. The characters and their inner lives and motivations. The complex personalities and how they all interact with one another. That's what makes this game so much better than most of the others. The writing is really, really, really, really good. I've waxed rhapsodic enough about how I still can't believe I've found one of the most, dare I say, literary stories I've read in years in a silly porn game, of all things, but it's true. I can't get over just how good the writing is. And at the end of the day, that's why I spend my time here typing too many words on a forum devoted to porn games, because this one makes me care, and that's such an incredible rarity that it motivates me to participate in these discussions.
He's absolutely got a dark streak in him too, though, no matter how nice one plays him. I tend towards a "goodish" Edwin, personally, but even playing him mostly nicely, there are still plenty of scenes where he unleashes his urge to dominate, to be rough, to spew abuse, take pleasure with little or no regard for his partners, and more. And that's outside the exhibitions, when he's one-on-one with the Carnations. "Goodish," obviously, is as good as he gets. But even here, he has to grapple with his own impulses and his own responsibility for what happens to the women in the story. He's clearly a little disturbed by his own darkness, and by Kathleen's obvious desire to turn him into a total sadist like she is, and he worries about what his continued involvement in the club might do to him. He's not necessarily a bad guy, but he is absolutely not a cold, detached, unemotional person either.
Which is probably a good thing, because most of us (I would like to hope) would have trouble relating to a totally narcissistic sociopath as the protagonist of the story.
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(Caveat before replying: I am not a trained psychoanalyst, but am somewhat familiar w/the field, and had major social disassociative tendencies myself, growing up; seeing people as behavioral patterns of varying predictabilities, rather than people, tho that bothered me as I could feel it was wrong. It was only in my 20s that this began to self-correct, after seeing strong counterexamples to my mode in certain other people)
Sociopaths do NOT lack emotions. They simply lack empathy and conscience, like psychopaths, but psychopaths are BORN that way, and DO tend to have (oft chillingly) muted emotions, while sociopaths BECOME that way from negative experiences, and tend to have difficulty regulating emotions. Sociopaths can apparently have a limited empathy that manifests more as a focus on loyalty to family and a small circle of friends, but lack real empathy or conscience.
Now..
MC is emotionally detatched and definitely has flat affect, but has a strong concern, as the story begins, as to whether or not he is a good person. People with no conscience or empathy do NOT ask themselves that question. EVER. It would never occur to them to even think about it, much less care.
MC has issues, and possibly some sociopathic tendencies, but an actual sociopath or psychopath would NOT have thought to advise The Carnations to have each others' backs; that sort of social/emotional awareness would just not have been there in such personalities; antisocial types are blind to such things.
A sociopath MIGHT feel appreciation for his mother doing porn to support him, but likely would not have maintained a real concern over reciprocating affection, if such regularly inconvenienced him; at some point, anger, impatience, etc, would have derailed the relationship into more negative habits.
My two cents. Not a shrink, but am fairly familiar w/the subject.
EDIT: In rare cases, a psychopath raised in a VERY loving home can have a sort of reverse effect to sociopathy, becoming more socially attuned and integrated. The one example I know of (a doctor who realized he was a psychopath, from his brain scans), nonetheless exhibited excessive competitiveness (w/n willingly lose games to his grandkids to spare their feelings), unwillingness to share food (IIRC), etc. MC is not overly competitive, shares food, and (importantly) thinks in terms of high ideals, not just material wants, whereas psychopathic speech patterns are natively almost exclusively materialist unless prodded into other spheres by outside sources
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If it was really long ago perhaps it was before the inevitable breakup became part of the game, and so walkthrough would make it appear like it was possible for their relationship to continue.
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My mistake: the post in which we can find the walkthrough goes back to 2022, but the walkthrough was updated few months ago; I apologize.
My mistake: the post in which we can find the walkthrough goes back to 2022, but the walkthrough was updated few months ago; I apologize.
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I dont think they are saying the walkthrough was outdated but that if the last time someone read it was before Mina and Ian are "forced" to break up in game then the walkhrough would show you how to get a scene (1st scene with Mina) without them breaking up?
That or the guy just mandela effected himself
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very good summary. fun fact they are most commonly found in neurosurgeons or other surgeon jobs alike where the stress is high and the patient has high risk of getting crippled,killed by accident if the surgery goes wrong.
that is to say that those psychopaths are useful since an "average joe" would be clumsy and fuck up the surgery due to stress.
there was even a researcher who made list of the top jobs where you can find the most psychopaths.
to sum up ONLY IF raised in a GOOD environnment a psychopath can be useful for society at large .
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We had this choice following Mina's first big scene back in Chapter 3 Update 3:
AFAICT our choice has no bearing on Mina formally breaking up with Ian in Chapter 4; her own pace turns out to be the ASAP. It's possible it will have some other effects under the hood, since more recent versions of the walkthrough suggest the game is recording the choice.
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Dr. James Fallon, the man who found he was a psychopath from his brain scans, was a neuroscientist. Not sure how much actual surgery would be involved.
CONJECTURE FOLLOWS:
It's possible that psychopaths might also gravitate towards neurosurgery and neuroscience, because the brain is the seat of power of the person, and they would then have power over that seat of power.
A suspicion of mine is that since psychopaths do not believe in a moral underpinning of the universe, they might then inherently believe that everything is random and potentially chaotically dangerous, so staying ahead of the curve in terms of readiness of action, so always being the tip of the spear, would appeal to them. Thus, manipulation of other people tends to be high on their priority list, and being able to mess with someone's brain would literally be an ultimate experience of that.
They might also have an inclination to fascination with how the brain works, since their own brains are so unusual.
This is, of course, conjecture on my part.
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I tend not to thinkin terms of a person's "use" to society, though their relation to others, and in the universe as a whole, does catch my attention.
That focus on societal use is one of the deficits I feel in mainstream psychology: it seems to be primarily looking to create a docile, useful work unit. This is why, to me, the "big five" model is less an objective model of Personality than it is a subjective shopping list of what society wants. It's also not particularly well investigated or analyzed since two of its operations openness to new ideas and conscientiousness have been shown to be in a diametrically opposed inverse relationship at the macro scale where subjective BS tends to get washed away. So it really should be called the Big Four with at least one of them being a spectrum
The problem with Psychopaths, to me, is that they are inherently prone to be liars. By default, they have no compulsion to tell the truth: only to say whatever serves their ends at the moment.
My personality is wired towards relating, receiving, and acting upon accurate information. Thus, for me, a psychopath is inherently untrustworthy, and that would obviously create a problem with them being "of use" in society, imo.
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