VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Ungawa]

Can anyone tell me how important these points with Kat are?

Unfortunately, trying to modify variables with URM has broken my saves immediately, so I think I need to consider that.

She's getting more and more cruel, I'm starting to have doubts about how I should proceed.

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For this scene specifically, you make one choice and I look at it this way:

Do it to ALL or do it to NONE. Don't half ass it.

If you're going full sadist, you can bang Kathleen and that can garner a favor later.

You can decide to do NONE of this and skip this Kathleen scene entirely and you move on. But I've found that what works best for this scene: NONE or ALL. Don't pick favorites.

 

[Idontplay]

The feminist writing in the game with the sex club in which women get mercilessly exploited for entertainment and money?

How dare you judge the sexual life of a woman?
If a woman choses to become a sexual object, you don't have any right to think she is a sexual object!
Shame on you!

 

[Joshy92]

You guys might think I'm crazy but if there are threesomes with Hana in the future I hope I'm not forced to have them
I only want to be with her I don't even want a casual threesome with some other girl.

 

[Ottoeight]

For this scene specifically, you make one choice and I look at it this way:

Do it to ALL or do it to NONE. Don't half ass it.

If you're going full sadist, you can bang Kathleen and that can garner a favor later.

You can decide to do NONE of this and skip this Kathleen scene entirely and you move on. But I've found that what works best for this scene: NONE or ALL. Don't pick favorites.

Nah.

You don't need to go sadist.

You just need to have 8 Kathleen trust points.


I've played as the good guy and I exactly got 8 Kat trust points:

- Nailed the Carnations interview: +3 trust points
- tell Kathleen you honestly don't: +1 point
- called Isaak a loser: -2 points
- match Kathleen deference and show deference to the crowd: +1 point
- tell her you're doing your best to put on an entertaining show: +2 points
- accept her gift: +3 points.

Total: 8 trust points. I unlocked sex with the old sadist bitch and I've always played as the nice guy.

And if you want to be nice with Harper - she will remember it - and bang Kathleen, you just need to go to Hana's gig and choose to talk to Jacob and Harper.

 

[Ness99]

You guys might think I'm crazy but if there are threesomes with Hana in the future I hope I'm not forced to have them
I only want to be with her I don't even want a casual threesome with some other girl.

You will not be forced, you will always have the choice, I think there will be several paths for Hana.
Personally I would like the complete opposite, I want a path with a corrupted Hana as much as possible, so that she can do things with anyone working at the club (Jacob, Ian, Chuck, Kat, Warren ect..)

 

[Joshy92]

I want to rip out my beating heart and give it Hana to show how much I love her.
Hana owns my heart and my soul.

 

[Elduriel]

I want to rip out my beating heart and give it Hana to show how much I love her.
Hana owns my heart and my soul.

I still play each update twice even though there is still no real exclusive boyfriend content with her. I hope that changes soon.

 

[Randomguy3478]

Having Mina on her back with her legs directly above her head and having complete control of the situation including her body and pleasure is degrading?

It's pretty degrading to stick your dick into a vagina tbh the dirty woman pee out of there

the hell is this the 1860s in a quaker church? If the thought of licking at the female temple turns you off, maybe it's time to consider the turgid variety....

Is it really degrading if a man seeks to give pleasure to the woman he loves in all manner of ways? I'd say a man unwilling to go down on a woman is very insecure with himself. Any woman willing to put up with such a beta deserves the bad relationship.

Dude, the idea is to have fun and make each other feel good. You aren't supposed to establish your unquestionable sovereignty over the poor woman.

Ah! I'm not picking that fight against windmills!

Setting aside the (IMO faulty) premise of sex being an act that inherently means one person getting a leg up on the other, because the sex scenes in this game do largely revolve around and fetishize the exchange of power, but... even from that murky dichotomy, context is king. In terms of what is presented in the project, there is a difference between serving Kathleen like a dog or taking control of Mina by seizing her by the metaphorical lady balls.

Generally speaking, like in a healthy actual human being way, giving shold be empowering.
Or the dirtiest of all, an intimate gesture of trust and love.

How does the saying go? "Everything in the world is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power?"

But I don't agree with that quote. I just think there are better ways of selfless giving. A warm hug, for example, is imo a much more wholesome gesture of love and trust.

Eating a woman out is an act of giving physical pleasure without getting physical pleasure for oneself - so I think this fits the bill for being submissive. But of course its also used to gain power over a woman by giving her something she wants. Not very selfless. I guess most men probably expect something in return - to get blown, to get sex, or even just to have the relationship continued. In this case cunnilingus would be a sign of acting from a position of weakness.

And I think there needs to be a lot of mental gymnastics involved to convince oneself that it's not degrading to put one's mouth in places that are used to urinate - or to extrapolate - used to defecate, like during anilingus.

At least that's my view of it.

 

[Ottoeight]

Ah! I'm not picking that fight against windmills!

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How does the saying go? "Everything in the world is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power?"

But I don't agree with that quote. I just think there are better ways of selfless giving. A warm hug, for example, is imo a much more wholesome gesture of love and trust.

Eating a woman out is an act of giving physical pleasure without getting physical pleasure for oneself - so I think this fits the bill for being submissive. But of course its also used to gain power over a woman by giving her something she wants. Not very selfless. I guess most men probably expect something in return - to get blown, to get sex, or even just to have the relationship continued. In this case cunnilingus would be a sign of acting from a position of weakness.

And I think there needs to be a lot of mental gymnastics involved to convince oneself that it's not degrading to put one's mouth in places that are used to urinate - or to extrapolate - used to defecate, like during anilingus.

At least that's my view of it.

I'd really like to know how in the darnest world you might think that all of this tirade could be considered as being on topic.

 

[dolfe67]

Ah! I'm not picking that fight against windmills!

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How does the saying go? "Everything in the world is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power?"

But I don't agree with that quote. I just think there are better ways of selfless giving. A warm hug, for example, is imo a much more wholesome gesture of love and trust.

Eating a woman out is an act of giving physical pleasure without getting physical pleasure for oneself - so I think this fits the bill for being submissive. But of course its also used to gain power over a woman by giving her something she wants. Not very selfless. I guess most men probably expect something in return - to get blown, to get sex, or even just to have the relationship continued. In this case cunnilingus would be a sign of acting from a position of weakness.

And I think there needs to be a lot of mental gymnastics involved to convince oneself that it's not degrading to put one's mouth in places that are used to urinate - or to extrapolate - used to defecate, like during anilingus.

At least that's my view of it.

If you don't like cunnilingus you don't have to justify it by saying crap like it's for submissive people

 

[Bill Temple]

If it ever gets there, for sure there will be some serious jimmes rustled!

TIL: the phrase "rustle one's jimmies". Of course researching this led me to think that this phrase conflated with "ruffle one's feathers" was the source of the line:

"Mina seems almost begrudgingly accepting of it... I could use it to rustle Ian's feathers a little. Then again, would that even be taken as humor?"

Further down the rabbit hole, I learned that TD's not the first to coin the phrase "rustle [one's] feathers". Reddit and urban dictionary have discussions on this version of the idiom. Fascinating, but... now my TPS reports are going to be late.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

TIL: the phrase "rustle one's jimmies". Of course researching this led me to think that this phrase conflated with "ruffle one's feathers" was the source of the line:

Further down the rabbit hole, I learned that TD's not the first to coin the phrase "rustle [one's] feathers". Reddit and urban dictionary have discussions on this version of the idiom. Fascinating, but... now my TPS reports are going to be late.

I never thought about it - that's interesting you mentioned it..... I wonder if there were no prior uses of 'rustle feathers' to the aforementioned.... and as you said it's a portmanteau-idiom.

 

[Simpgor]

TIL: the phrase "rustle one's jimmies".

Related TIL: I cant read the word "jimmies" without thinking about a single episode of a cartoon I saw 20 years ago....damn that 4th flavor

I (feel like?) I been familiar with "rustle ones feather" since my childhood could it perhaps be due to how rural/urban an area is?

as far as rustling jimmies vs feathers "jimmies" wasn't a term until the around the 1930-1940s (ice cream sprinkles aka "jimmies" are popularized) while rustling ones feathers came about in the "mid 1800s"

if only my mom knew i would be using information i learned in a cartoon decades ago instead of doing my homework to further discussion on a porn piracy forum she would be so proud

 

[se20299]

What are you on about? The nasty is the best part of the game. The flashback of Vicky tongue punching a fat Samoan guy's fart box is one of the hottest parts of the game. Plus it happens as Rose is eating Ian's ass, so it's kind of an ass-ception.

 

[Elduriel]

What are you on about? The nasty is the best part of the game. The flashback of Vicky tongue punching a fat Samoan guy's fart box is one of the hottest parts of the game. Plus it happens as Rose is eating Ian's ass, so it's kind of an ass-ception.

now we just need to wait for Hana to do the same and we come full circle

 

[dolfe67]

now we just need to wait for Hana's mom to do the same and we come full circle

FTFY

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Again, I think it's better to give without degrading oneself. The short ego boost from making a woman pop doesn't make life much brighter anyway - even less so if it's not with the D. Look at all the old porn guys that look like hungry ghosts after a life dedicated to sexual pleasure. A sense of dignity in contrast can make life quite a lot brighter in my experience.

Anyway, people do all kinds of degrading things to satisfy their sexual desires and find all kinds of reasons to justify them. But I'm far from perfect myself and I'm also not here to offend.

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just please dont go hurting people, dead serious.

 

[Simpgor]

just please dont go hurting people, dead serious.

Kathleen wants to hurt people
Doing what Kathleen wants is degrading
They won't be degraded so they can't hurt people

 

[Ungawa]

Nah.

You don't need to go sadist.

You just need to have 8 Kathleen trust points.


I've played as the good guy and I exactly got 8 Kat trust points:

- Nailed the Carnations interview: +3 trust points
- tell Kathleen you honestly don't: +1 point
- called Isaak a loser: -2 points
- match Kathleen deference and show deference to the crowd: +1 point
- tell her you're doing your best to put on an entertaining show: +2 points
- accept her gift: +3 points.

Total: 8 trust points. I unlocked sex with the old sadist bitch and I've always played as the nice guy.

And if you want to be nice with Harper - she will remember it - and bang Kathleen, you just need to go to Hana's gig and choose to talk to Jacob and Harper.

Fair point but I insist on one thing and it's a binary choice for this scene specifically: Go Full Sadist or protect the girls. I find that if you waffle on this one you end up with everyone against you (or whoever of the girls you favored) and you might as well get one or the other benefit out of this.

 

[lmk&moogie]

Ccome on