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Out of context it seems like she's listening for a train's passage
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Yes, I think you misinterpret my text, since you do not write about the points I want to make. It might be that we have some translation loss in the meaning of the argumention chains and language stuff in general here. So a try at a very basic compressed translation:
a) While True_degenerate illustrated the situation at the time the game, it cannot be the situation "from the get go". Ian and Mina´s relationship was roughly a year old when they are at the birthday paty. Had Ian started out like he behaved at the end, the two would never have come together, no matter that Ian hyperboles during the talk with Edwin! It does not function like that. He would never have gotten Mina on the hook had he started it like he did in the end!
And that Ian can be charming if he wants to is shown in several scenes, not just with Mina, but e.g. Vicki. And there is a another hint of it in the party scenes. When they are forced to say something nice about each other. It is clear Ian could be different if not Chuck would influence him strongly.
b) This is something of a headscratcher for me, why some Mina fans try to read something from my posts I never said nor intended! I always said that Ian is by far the main culprit why the relationship with Mina crashed, no debate here, it was practically selfsabotage. It is just that there are scenes with hints that Mina is not completely blameless it came to that.
c) I do not imply Mina´s innocnece is a complete act like you insinuate, her personality is mainly like this at that point in game. But Mina is not quite as innocent as you believe! She is steering her innocence depending on the situation how thick or thin she lays it on. She clearly overdid it at Edwin´s birthday party, even with Ian present! It was completely unnecessary to e.g. give Hana the glare she gave her when she explained a kink which was not as"bad" as the ones she wants to try. No one present would have "hmmed" if Mina just listened to it.
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Does the MC even win her over? Isn't she separating from Ian regardless of what the MC does?
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I see this is a deeply philosophical thread pondering on mysteries like the self-awareness, emotions, motivations and whatnot but i just came to ask how is the porn in this one because i never played it before. Interestingly enough.
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Pretty fucking hot, but there's some rough/gross humiliation stuff happening to some of the girls too. Some people don't like that (*whispering* betas
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Ohwow, look at this, this title somehow ended up on top of my list of 'Probably should give this one a try'. Now how did that happen
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It is amazing to me how much blather is expended over Vanilla Girl. Am I the only one who thinks the best use the MC could make of Mina is to offer her to Sophia as an experimental test subject?
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Play it, I guarantee it'll become your favorite AVN. Need more cultured men hanging about.Ohwow, look at this, this title somehow ended up on top of my list of 'Probably should give this one a try'. Now how did that happen
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Yea, I have wondered if the different levels insight into this situation are where the disconnect lies. A tiny bit of jealousy might help some partners connect with each other more, but I think most of us agree that in the general case making your partner jealous in the way and to the degree that Ian is doing doesn't strengthen a loving relationship. You'll note that I said that Ian making Mina jealous is an effective way to manipulate someone. I should have said "can be" an effective way to manipulate someone. Some people can't be duped so easily, but it is a tactic used to reasonable success by men and women for as long as we've been a species. One would be sacrificing trust and love for sexual and other short-term gains, but it can work. If one has enough of a conscience, feeling like a scumbag and damage to one's mental image are the other costs.
Ian's feelings about the breakup being at odds with his treatment of Mina makes him seem like a real person to me. People are complex and frequently behave less than rationally and inconsistently. We often do things we later regret. There's a reason why "You don't know what you got 'til it's gone" is a saying. One can take someone for granted, objectify them, emotionally torment them, then in hindsight realize that the reason for doing so was proactively sabotaging the relationship for fear of rejection, avoidance of commitment, bouts of narcissism, or some other personality flaw. Some of us are generally respectful, honest guys that fall into a pattern of acting like a right bastard for a while. Others are awful sons of bitches whose humanity bubbles up to the surface periodically. And there's everything in between too. If I were to put them on that scale, I'd say Ian's just a few notches to the right of the middle, and I'd put Edwin at even money.
Realistically, TD could have written the two scenarios you suggest, but he also could have, and did, realistically write the scenario he has. Is it the most likely outcome? Maybe not, but it's not like it's 4 sigmas from the mean.
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Hi Ennoch!Ohwow, look at this, this title somehow ended up on top of my list of 'Probably should give this one a try'. Now how did that happen
I agree with other members that you should definitely try out "Pale Carnations". It is one of the absolute best games we have on F95! Some parts disgust me, but I live with them because this game takes you for a great ride. The characters alone are worth it!
One of the side characters managed to gain a following even as a potential LI with just a couple of "visits" and she is hardly your standard VN woman.
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Hey now, let's not bring math into this. Nothing puts the kibosh on sexy times quicker than statistics.
Funny how intense this discussion about Ian and Mina has become.
My two cents.
First, Pale Carnetion is a really interesting work about people with Daddy issues, Mina has them, Ian has them, Hana of course, even Veronica, Felicia and Rose has them.
Second Ian and Mina relationship, to me, is about this, for one Mina follow her dad philosofy, that giving is the most important thing, but with Ian she wanted to show that she isnt like her mother, that she could mantain a relationship no matter what, instead Ian wanted to have fun first, but Mina, who is really smart, see more in him than a horny wallet, and that bothers Ian a lot, because only Dr. Chuck and Mina were seeing him with expectation, not his mother even less his father, so Ian couldnt help himself but see how much Mina would permit before finally getting disappointed, perhaps he was testing if his own uncle would give up on him too some day...
Both have a toxic relationship and i love how TD show us that it isnt necesary to be an asshole to get into a Bad relationship.
Funny stuff, with everything Edwin have inside he is the healthiest person in the game.
My two cents.
First, Pale Carnetion is a really interesting work about people with Daddy issues, Mina has them, Ian has them, Hana of course, even Veronica, Felicia and Rose has them.
Second Ian and Mina relationship, to me, is about this, for one Mina follow her dad philosofy, that giving is the most important thing, but with Ian she wanted to show that she isnt like her mother, that she could mantain a relationship no matter what, instead Ian wanted to have fun first, but Mina, who is really smart, see more in him than a horny wallet, and that bothers Ian a lot, because only Dr. Chuck and Mina were seeing him with expectation, not his mother even less his father, so Ian couldnt help himself but see how much Mina would permit before finally getting disappointed, perhaps he was testing if his own uncle would give up on him too some day...
Both have a toxic relationship and i love how TD show us that it isnt necesary to be an asshole to get into a Bad relationship.
Funny stuff, with everything Edwin have inside he is the healthiest person in the game.
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At first I thought this was just pseudointellectual drivel - and probably wasn't the only one. But this is a surprisingly thoughtful take if you read it carefully - and I'd agree with much of it. The fact that a porn game would inspire such high-brow analysis should be a complement to the creators, not a detraction.
I've done enough arguing and criticism in the prior thread decades I thought it'd be nice to rehash my favorite and what I consider the best scene in the entire game from a technical standpoint - I wonder what some other people's favorite scenes are?
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I read it carefully as well. The part about 'Eyes Wide Shut' was somewhat interesting...most of the rest was pseudo intellectual drivel.
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The thread:
..The existential paradox of the middle class insatiable lust for wealth and condemning the one having it simultaneously..
Me, starting the VN:
~Oh gosh, all the girls have these long pointy nails..~
..The existential paradox of the middle class insatiable lust for wealth and condemning the one having it simultaneously..
Me, starting the VN:
~Oh gosh, all the girls have these long pointy nails..
~If you can forget about the lack of realism of an american female citizen driving a manual that is...
lol
Loved the music as well. Very calm and relaxing together with the nightdrive.