Pr0GamerJohnny

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*chup chup chup or maybe those are just felicia noises..

If I DID have a bunch of dark kinks I was considering exploring, however, I can see why I'd prefer to explore them with a casual friend rather than a serious girlfriend - or boyfriend, for that matter.
I've never understood this perspective, though to credit your point I often hear it from women in the real world, not men. Seems to me if someone's not comfortable or embarassed with revealing certain preferences/kinks/behaviors their relationship isn't really that close.

Granted, some things can be mighty embarassing, I know I myself have kept things concealed during relationships. But that doesn't mean I'd be more willing to talk about them with a stranger - or if I was, it'd be because they're merely being glossed over; drinking game style.
 
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*chup chup chup or maybe those are just felicia noises..


I've never understood this perspective, though to credit your point I often hear it from women in the real world, not men. Seems to me if someone's not comfortable or embarassed with revealing certain preferences/kinks/behaviors their relationship isn't really that close.

Granted, some things can be mighty embarassing, I know I myself have kept things concealed during relationships. But that doesn't mean I'd be more willing to talk about them with a stranger - or if I was, it'd be because they're merely being glossed over; drinking game style.
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Id argue that Mina just got out of her first relationship which was very toxic, she's not ready to go back into another one.

As for her relationship with Edwin, he's been built up to be a god, so when he pretty much lives up to the hype you can see why she pretty much tries to push him into the boyfriend role. That being said, he's openly dating multiple women and whether he's like Ian or not, that's still his best friend, so I can see why she'd be cautious in terms of her relationship with him.
 
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why does being cheated on make it more difficult to share fetishes? isnt it the fear of getting rejected that prevents one from sharing fetishes? wouldn't a cheating boyfriend make it easier since there is less to lose?
She is in denial at the time and is trying to stay in the relationship. She is afraid that sharing fetishes might make him think she is a weirdo and end it.

And remember that it is her first relationship. You are far more likely to put up with your partner's abuse and bullshit if it is your very first relationship. It is likely that you dont know what your boundaries are and you are bad at drawing the line. I think their relationship is a very realistic depiction of first time relationships going to shit.
 

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She is in denial at the time and is trying to stay in the relationship. She is afraid that sharing fetishes might make him think she is a weirdo and end it.

And remember that it is her first relationship. You are far more likely to put up with your partner's abuse and bullshit if it is your very first relationship. It is likely that you dont know what your boundaries are and you are bad at drawing the line. I think their relationship is a very realistic depiction of first time relationships going to shit.
I think the whole fetish thing is kinda retconned.... hmm that's the wrong word, but it's inflated far past it's original proportion in the story. In game, 90% of the meat and potatoes is this: mc has a friend, friend has a cute girlfriend who's kinda quiet, mc's friend is a serial cheater on his gf. That's it. All this sigmunding at the end of the day, it really comes down to - are you the type who will cover for your friends bad behavior or not?

It's not a morally black and white question; those that snipe the gf obviously forgo loyalty, and those that whitewash the cheater stand on shaky relativistic ground.
 
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I don't know why I avoided this game for so long despite it being the second highest rated one on the site. The start is a bit weak, but damn does it spread its wings later. Eighty percent of AVN writers can't write believable characters. Out of the remaining ones that can, eighty percent can only write one-trick ponies: this is the girl that is X, this is the girl that is Y. Only a few can write a character that has at least a couple different sides to them, and Pale Carnations has lots of them.
 

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this is not work on android
Cause those are meant for the desktop version. You can't just drag-n-drop files to overwrite the base game ones with an Android APK. Someone who knows what they are doing would need to compile a new version of the game, creating a new APK file, with the mod already installed for it to work on Android.
 

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why does being cheated on make it more difficult to share fetishes? isnt it the fear of getting rejected that prevents one from sharing fetishes? wouldn't a cheating boyfriend make it easier since there is less to lose?
Because opening up about your kinks can make you vulnerable.

Let's say you have a public facing job. Maybe you're in public relations, maybe you're a politician, or maybe like Mina you're an actress? If someone finds out you like regular old P-in-the-V pornography, and they attempted to hold that over you as some form of blackmail, it'd be pointless 99.9% of the time (unless you're the Pope or something).

But what happens if you let someone in on your deepest secrets? The kinky shit that really gets you going? Especially if that kinky shit isn't plain old vanilla sex in the missionary position? What if they find out you're really into futa-loli-tentacle hentai with some vore sprinkled on top? Or how about the full sub-dom BDSM 24/7 lifestyle? What about getting off to non-consent or rape-play?

Well now you're the kind of 'moral degenerate' that Fox News warns everyone about. You are now the erosion of society's moral fabric. You are the downfall of western society incarnate. Now anyone who knows that, and wants to hurt you, can leverage that against you. Letting people into your kinks can make you acutely vulnerable to the person who you share that information with.

Hell, how many people would actually be comfortable sharing the stuff they download here with the public at large?

So that being said, how keen do you think Mina is on sharing that vulnerability with a boyfriend who she suspects is a serial playboy and cheater?
 
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this explains why you don't open up towards a person you don't trust regarding keeping secrets. but how does that relate to someone being unable to refrain from cheating?

its throwing all vices together in one pot and declaring i only share my fetishes with saint mary.

saying mina doesn't share her fetishes with ian because of his cheating is similar like saying i don't share my fetishes with my gf because she constantly breaks her oath to keep her diet

serial playboys often have high integrity in other areas of life - like one can see with ian in regards to his best friend edwin - while someone who keeps his monogamy can be someone who folds easily when asked about his gf and shares secrets for being entertaining and getting attention

so mina not sharing her fetishes with ian because of his cheating still makes no sense to me
Ok then how about the fact that he guilt tripped her for trying to watch porn? Seems like such a thing wouldnt be conducive to encouraging one to embrace their kinks
 

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this explains why you don't open up towards a person you don't trust regarding keeping secrets. but how does that relate to someone being unable to refrain from cheating?

its throwing all vices together in one pot and declaring i only share my fetishes with saint mary.

saying mina doesn't share her fetishes with ian because of his cheating is similar like saying i don't share my fetishes with my gf because she constantly breaks her oath to keep her diet

serial playboys often have high integrity in other areas of life - like one can see with ian in regards to his best friend edwin - while someone who keeps his monogamy can be someone who folds easily when asked about his gf and shares secrets for being entertaining and getting attention

so mina not sharing her fetishes with ian because of his cheating still makes no sense to me
I can't explain it any better than I already did. It's a trust issue. At the time Mina didn't trust Ian enough to share that part of herself with him. Maybe she was hoping that the relationship could course correct eventually if she just stuck with it long enough and put the work into it (the relationship version of the 'sunk cost fallacy'), that eventually Ian would pull his head out of his ass and grow into the mature partner she needed him to be. But Ian fucked things up before she ever got to that point.

If you can't understand that this was a trust issue, and that sharing personal information that makes you vulnerable is hard to do without trusting the person you are sharing it with, I don't know how else to explain it.

Also keep in mind that 'trust' is not a binary state, a yes or no proposition. Trust is a spectrum, a gradient. Mina trusted Ian enough to have some form of a relationship, some amount of intimacy. But she evidently didn't trust Ian enough to bare the entirety of her soul to him, and she was right not to do so.
 
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That he's such a good friend to Edwin is more of an exception to his character than an example of who he is.
That really depends on if your frame of reference all game is a relationship with Mina, or edwin - ian antics.

For those of us that avoided the bro-hater path, Ian was the party-guy sidekick who had more experience at the club, and occasionally called on mc for help, and vice versa. No more, no less. It's little mystery those most enthusiastically tearing into killian also have mina as a primary LI.
 
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i dont think the game even presents it like mina didnt share her list with ian because of his cheating, but those who see it like that probably just want to believe in that fantasy that a guys fidelity is the main factor of a girls overall trust and willingness to do naughty shit with them
Yeah in my own experience- and probably jaded view; how attractive someone is to the other person is pretty much the only thing that matters for their willingness to do dirty shit, trust has little to do with that domain of the relationship.

I think that holds true for most guys too; just imagine, something like pegging, most of us are probably like "yeah that's kinda gay", but a cute little blonde girl puts her boobs in your face and says: "hey can I try sticking things up your butt?" - suddenly many would become more flexible :LOL:


I chuckled at climbing K2...
 

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how attractive someone is to the other person is pretty much the only thing that matters for their willingness to do dirty shit, trust has little to do with that domain of the relationship.
That's a jaded view for sure. Trust is certainly not the only thing that is needed to do naughtier things, but I find it hard to believe that people make themselves vulnerable to such a degree just because the other person looks hot.

When you can't trust your partner not to tell any of your friends, family or colleagues how they stuffed your asshole that night, only a few people would actually consider going through with it. I mean people don't even trust their own body. And homophobia wouldn't be that prevalent if guys knew what sexual powerhouse the prostate presents. Ask any cancer patient what's left of their libido when they have to live without it...
 
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like you say, i also think trust is not a yes or no. there are different areas of trust. i might trust a friend to safely drive me home while sleeping but i won't trust him to pick me up next week on time because he is a disorganized fuck up.

so i still dont see where sharing sex stuff is a problem because of his cheating if the guy is trustworthy regarding secrets and is probably not leaving you because of your fetishes but happy to finally have some non-vanilla sex

its just different areas of trust

the whole thing also doesn't fit with reality imo. girls have no problem trusting men in many areas of life a lot if warranted while having little trust in their fidelity at the same time.

i dont think the game even presents it like mina didnt share her list with ian because of his cheating, but those who see it like that probably just want to believe in that fantasy that a guys fidelity is the main factor of a girls overall trust and willingness to do naughty shit with them

aside from keeping secrecy because of the public consequences you mentioned, its not like sharing some fetishes is climbing the K2 in a team of two

iirc i think the game presents it more like somebody else here wrote: girls try to hold on to their cultivated image in the relationship with their boyfriend for different reasons (mostly benefits and avoidance of risk), but when they meet somebody new to fuck around with there is not much at stake, so they suddenly are willing to do things they'd never agreed to with their boyfriends/husbands

I think that's a really reductionist view on female relationships. It makes Mina out to be a cynical emotional mercenary, 'cultivating' an image for 'benefits'. It reduces her relationship to being merely transactional. Sorry, but I see enough of that toxic thinking with the libertarian crypto-bros (e.g. everything in Web3, including social structures like DAO's, are built around financial transactions; it's future is the financialization of everything).

There is a difference between someone who is very sexually permissive, who's unafraid to let their freak-flag fly and damn all the consequences; and someone who fears the consequences of others learning about their sexual preferences. The former might not require a high level of trust with a sexual partner to get into the really kinky shit. But that's hardly universal, and certainly isn't the typical or the default response.

Do you perhaps live outside of the United States or Canada? I know that western European nations tend to be more liberal in regards to sexuality, but both the US and Canada skew heavily in favor of sexual conservatism and repression. We're all about blood, guts, and gore; but heaven forbid if anybody sees a lady nipple free in the open.

So yeah, having a terribly untrustworthy partner (based on infidelity or not) is a perfectly reasonable explanation for not sharing their Taboo Kink Bucket List with said untrustworthy partner; for all of the prior reasons already stated. If you can't trust your partner to maintain their half of a commitment to a monogamous relationship, how are you supposed to trust that they won't use your darkest secrets against you? That they won't disregard their respect for your privacy in the same way they could disregard their fidelity to your relationship?

That you don't seem able or willing to bridge the connection between 'relationship fidelity' and 'relationship trust' and how the two are codependent, is honestly quite baffling. Not everyone needs a high-trust environment to let their freak flag fly, but for those who do, suspected infidelity is a perfectly reasonable reason to erode trust in another or their relationship. Healthy relationships require trust. Mina might have already been heavily invested in her relationship with Ian (again, sunk cost fallacy), but without sufficient trust, she evidently wasn't comfortable investing even more (e.g. her Taboo Kink Bucket List) into the relationship in the case that it did collapse.

Trust is a central theme of the narrative. Edwin can try to both cultivate it with the carnations, or abuse it for his own gain (e.g. his first encounter with Rosalind). Mina's relationship is a way for the writer to explicitly highlight how trust can be eroded and betrayed, and the consequences of those actions. It then becomes not just an object lesson, but gives Edwin the opportunity to potentially betray the trust of Mina and Hana, the consequences of which have yet had the time to play out.
 

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We're all about blood, guts, and gore; but heaven forbid if anybody sees a lady nipple free in the open.
Oh give me a break, there's no we here. This is quickly moving from a discussion about the game characters into a transparent political discussion on sexual-social dynamics.

I mean yeah, what better do we have to do to occupy our time before a new update comes out, but please, can we do without the progressive social orthodoxy? I appreciate people sharing their thoughts, but surely you all have more nuanced and interesting thoughts than just modern-day socio-political talking points.

Aside, this is a big part of why I'm pro carnations over the side characters; real drama like "I'm forced to fuck at this club or I can't pay my bills" instead of nuanced discussions of fetishes.
 
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You seem to think that Mina had a kink bucket list even before meeting Ian and never shared it with him. I just think she made it pretty recently so of course she didn't trust Ian enough.

On another note, I wasn't interested in her at the start and my MC and Ian are good bros. But she successfully seduced my MC :BootyTime:
 

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This episode reminds me of why this is my favorite AVN.
Surely MC being upfront about getting serious with Hana in the talk with Mina will lead to something good later on right? :sneaky:
 
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