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Ah yes, I remember.
I actually prefer watching movies like that to most current ones.
Thank you very much for taking your time.
Ah yes, I remember.
I actually prefer watching movies like that to most current ones.
Thank you very much for taking your time.
I try to base my findings on content in the current iteration of PC, which led, for instance, me recognizing her last, high-class video as real, a fact which i heavily disputed in ch3upd4.That's an extremely speculative statement. First, because we can't ignore the possibility that the lack of timestamp was an error in the game.
Here i am a bit confused, because the shoot i claim to be raw footage is the second, the 'yellow' one and it doesn't display another camera in the ingame pictures so i am pretty sure i didn't say we see a camera there (just checked my post again, and no, didn't say that).As you noted, we see a camera in some of the shots. You assumed that was proof the MC had behind the scenes footage. Occam's razor suggests shoot included faux-BTS footage to help sell the illusion that it was real.
According to your math above 2009 + 14 years or 15 years would get us 2023 or 2024 as the current ingame year.*IF* we accept Victoria's stated age in her 'debut' video and assume the timestamp is accurate, it took place 14-15 years ago. [The game lists her as 46 currently and she says she was 31 at the time of shooting; since the video was shot in January and Week 1 starts on June 1, it would be 15 years ago if her birthday was between January and June, or 14 years ago otherwise. ] The MC just had his 22nd birthday at the end of Week 1, and we know his father died when he was 6 (i.e. 15-16 years before the game). That seems fully compatible with the MC's summary of his mom's porn career to Hana: "For a brief time after [my father died], she made a living on her back."
Do i? Apart from from her probably five years older age? Which means she didn't started just after her husbands death?I think you're ignoring the actual game in favor of your preferred interpretation. AFAICT, nothing in the video clips we've seen calls the MC's story into question.
is conveniently vague enough to literally span any duration (what is brief in Edwins book?) at nearly any point in time between his father's death and the current ingame year, as long as it includes 2009 and 2010.the MC's summary of his mom's porn career to Hana: "For a brief time after [my father died], she made a living on her back."
Doesn't change the fact, that a GP, even if they start 10 years later due their prolonged educational needs and their higher study debts, catches up and surpasses those engineers and physicist in roughly 13 years, probably even faster if they are self-employed. After that they are still earning more than them for like 20 years. Income-wise GP is the better option in the long run.(...) even if we go with these numbers, it's not really a fair comparison. (...) So not only does the GP require a lot more money for education, they also need to wait longer before they can start earning the salary.
AFAIK that's the flavour text if you choose the "Helping People" motivation at the start of the game.In fact, as I recall he specifically mentions wanting to be a doctor because of the way they tried to help his father.
I agree. But i believe it was damn close to spiral really downwards for both of them. It remains to be seen how she pulled it off.Given that she managed to raise the MC into generally well-adjusted young adult on his way to becoming a doctor, I'd say she did fairly well for a single mother with no familial support.
That's a question which can't be answered as of ch4upd1.The question is whether she could have done a better job than she did with the options available to her.
This caught me a bit off guard, because i thought it was more than obvious. Since this post is already huge i can't answer that right now, it deserves to be examined on its own. Sorry.You assert that the MC's life must have been damaged by Victoria's actions (...) But you have no actual evidence of the alleged harm to the MC.
You are partly to blame that i wasn't able to work on my review of her third pornshoot, in which i plan to adress this issue.Intact doesn't mean unscathed, just that she's still a healthy woman with an acceptable life - and a son she loves very much. You say she's trying to make up for her shortcomings, but it's just as likely she's always been this way. I can be cynical, sure, but I need a solid reason not to take a mother's devotion to her son at face value.
Ehh, what?They didn't break out tarantulas, or arrange a fake interview with Victoria's boss, or make her shoot the porno in a park near her home.
I don't see how this relates in any way to above topic. We know that she is dangerous, but that's not part of her usual routine.Meanwhile Kat is using people for clandestine drug tests.
Yes. The room with all the red decoration. I didn't make a save there and I can't remember what they called the room. It's a carbon copy of the Shrine of Azura in Skyrim except this one is gold/bronze and the one in Skyrim is a grey stone material.Is it the golden one on the main stage?
only having the mc fuck girls would be horrible for the club, if i was a patron i would leave, its total scam from what it started out as, it puts so many restrictions on what could be done to degrade the girls, seems like youre trying to get a vanilla or harem ending in a not so vanilla gameI've had this thought rattling in my head for a while now but I've decided against sharing it here... until now. If this comes off as cringe, sorry.
As a preamble, I'm a huge sucker for harem/"getting ALL the girls" content/paths. I know, I know Pale Carnations isn't necessarily meant to be that (at least afaik) and I'm NOT saying the game should completely change course just to cater to me and my specific fetishes. This is one of those rare gems of a game that is just of such incredible quality that I'll love it even if I have to suffer through group/sharing content that I don't like.
But the thing is my idea makes sense within the game and what it has established. And again, not saying the games direction or whatever has to change if this doesn't fit, but at least I want to throw out a suggestion of a possible, alternative path, maybe, or an alternative ending, or something. Basically I just think the idea makes too much sense not to at least share here. Maybe parts of it are things the developer is already planning on and that's why they make so much sense.
So basically, my idea is just about how the games story could develop to where we basically get to keep all the carnations for ourselves and remove the losers from the obligation of becoming "just" another whore, and maybe free any of the other girls from that fate that wants it as well. But how could that possibly make sense in the story?
Well basically, the people with positions of real power in the club are August, Charles and Kathleen, right? Hana is expected to start taking over from August, it's been hinted that Charles had hoped Killian would inherit his role but he hasn't showed himself to be of the right caliber. So then, if the MC convinces Killian to take charge of his life and go to Uni (like his Mother has already asked us to convince him to) and with how Charles basically already sees the MC as part of the family, it should be fairly easy with Killian out of the picture to get Charles to see us as the logical heir to his role. Hana is going to inherit August's role and we already have the possibility of having a great relationship with her, and maybe even have Hana be a little bit deferential to us. That just leaves Kathleen which certainly isn't someone the MC can overtly control but we already have every chance of having impressed her many times already and with the right development she certainly would at least listen to our ideas.
So then, if all this comes true that would mean it'll eventually be the MC, Hana and Kathleen who are in control of the club instead, whenever August and Charles steps down for health reasons or whatever else. That changes everything. Hana already doesn't like how the girls are treated and Kathleen has certainly showed a great deal of loathing for all the male patrons of the club who do not show her enough respect (even if she doesn't have an overabundance of love and care for the girls, per se). To me, all this points to the possibility of a route where the MC not only gets to have a large degree of influence over the future of the club, if we play Hana and Kathleen right (and playing people, even the people we like, is already a core theme in Pale Carnations and a stated conflict in the head of the MC) it leaves the doors wide open for us to change the club completely. Rather than rely on prostitution the club could change to where most of the girls in the club are just high-end strippers instead. Sure, it would take some convincing of the clientele but they are ultimately not in charge and the club would still serve just as well as the meeting spot for the same elites, the entertainment would just be limited to a VIEWING experience instead. And the girls would be free to "belong" to the MC without any interruption. Maybe even make the MC fucking the club girls as part of the viewing experience, but limit it at that.
Veronica and Rosalind wouldn't have to be full prostitutes in case they lost and if Felicia won she would benefit from being a full member of a club that Kathleen had much more power to make respectful of female members. Additionally I can already see before me such scenes as a threesome with Hana and Harper etc. Basically this would also be the route for the players who actually care about the club girls and don't want to see them disgraced and basically mistreated as they often are now, but still want to have sex with them.
So yeah, maybe that's a wild idea, but I think it makes sense. And to be clear, I'm not advocating that this would be the ONLY path in the game, just one path among all the others that would make sense. And obviously I'm not EXPECTING any of this to happen, of course the developer doesn't OWE me anything like this. I simply think it would be an awesome way for the story to develop and if it happens to appeal to the developer, if they aren't already planning something like this, then that's all it is.
The primary reason for the club existing isn't actually prostitution, because people can get prostitutes anywhere. It primarily serves as a meeting place for sleazy corrupt people to talk freely. What the club serves as entertainment is kind of secondary.only having the mc fuck girls would be horrible for the club, if i was a patron i would leave, its total scam from what it started out as, it puts so many restrictions on what could be done to degrade the girls, seems like youre trying to get a vanilla or harem ending in a not so vanilla game
Yea, that's the problem with MrJay's plan. Sure, if through shrewd political maneuvering, MC becomes the shot-caller at the Carnation Club, at the end of the day, it's still a business. As the effective head of the club, he'd have the opportunity to run the thing into the ground, and August's mafia friends would have an opportunity to set up a rival club that caters to the tastes of the sick fucks that previously enjoyed the services of the Carnation Club. Without August in the picture, the Cosa Nostra would probably have no reservations about doing so, they'd stop supplying the Club with new girls, and would probably recruit or recall the girls that are already at the club. The house girls, now working as strippers so making dramatically less money, which is motivating factor for many, are easily persuaded to jump ship.only having the mc fuck girls would be horrible for the club, if i was a patron i would leave, its total scam from what it started out as, it puts so many restrictions on what could be done to degrade the girls, seems like youre trying to get a vanilla or harem ending in a not so vanilla game
I've had this thought rattling in my head for a while now but I've decided against sharing it here... until now. If this comes off as cringe, sorry.
As a preamble, I'm a huge sucker for harem/"getting ALL the girls" content/paths. I know, I know Pale Carnations isn't necessarily meant to be that (at least afaik) and I'm NOT saying the game should completely change course just to cater to me and my specific fetishes. This is one of those rare gems of a game that is just of such incredible quality that I'll love it even if I have to suffer through group/sharing content that I don't like.
But the thing is my idea makes sense within the game and what it has established. And again, not saying the games direction or whatever has to change if this doesn't fit, but at least I want to throw out a suggestion of a possible, alternative path, maybe, or an alternative ending, or something. Basically I just think the idea makes too much sense not to at least share here. Maybe parts of it are things the developer is already planning on and that's why they make so much sense.
So basically, my idea is just about how the games story could develop to where we basically get to keep all the carnations for ourselves and remove the losers from the obligation of becoming "just" another whore, and maybe free any of the other girls from that fate that wants it as well. But how could that possibly make sense in the story?
Well basically, the people with positions of real power in the club are August, Charles and Kathleen, right? Hana is expected to start taking over from August, it's been hinted that Charles had hoped Killian would inherit his role but he hasn't showed himself to be of the right caliber. So then, if the MC convinces Killian to take charge of his life and go to Uni (like his Mother has already asked us to convince him to) and with how Charles basically already sees the MC as part of the family, it should be fairly easy with Killian out of the picture to get Charles to see us as the logical heir to his role. Hana is going to inherit August's role and we already have the possibility of having a great relationship with her, and maybe even have Hana be a little bit deferential to us. That just leaves Kathleen which certainly isn't someone the MC can overtly control but we already have every chance of having impressed her many times already and with the right development she certainly would at least listen to our ideas.
So then, if all this comes true that would mean it'll eventually be the MC, Hana and Kathleen who are in control of the club instead, whenever August and Charles steps down for health reasons or whatever else. That changes everything. Hana already doesn't like how the girls are treated and Kathleen has certainly showed a great deal of loathing for all the male patrons of the club who do not show her enough respect (even if she doesn't have an overabundance of love and care for the girls, per se). To me, all this points to the possibility of a route where the MC not only gets to have a large degree of influence over the future of the club, if we play Hana and Kathleen right (and playing people, even the people we like, is already a core theme in Pale Carnations and a stated conflict in the head of the MC) it leaves the doors wide open for us to change the club completely. Rather than rely on prostitution the club could change to where most of the girls in the club are just high-end strippers instead. Sure, it would take some convincing of the clientele but they are ultimately not in charge and the club would still serve just as well as the meeting spot for the same elites, the entertainment would just be limited to a VIEWING experience instead. And the girls would be free to "belong" to the MC without any interruption. Maybe even make the MC fucking the club girls as part of the viewing experience, but limit it at that.
Veronica and Rosalind wouldn't have to be full prostitutes in case they lost and if Felicia won she would benefit from being a full member of a club that Kathleen had much more power to make respectful of female members. Additionally I can already see before me such scenes as a threesome with Hana and Harper etc. Basically this would also be the route for the players who actually care about the club girls and don't want to see them disgraced and basically mistreated as they often are now, but still want to have sex with them.
So yeah, maybe that's a wild idea, but I think it makes sense. And to be clear, I'm not advocating that this would be the ONLY path in the game, just one path among all the others that would make sense. And obviously I'm not EXPECTING any of this to happen, of course the developer doesn't OWE me anything like this. I simply think it would be an awesome way for the story to develop and if it happens to appeal to the developer, if they aren't already planning something like this, then that's all it is.
I've had this thought rattling in my head for a while now but I've decided against sharing it here... until now. If this comes off as cringe, sorry.
As a preamble, I'm a huge sucker for harem/"getting ALL the girls" content/paths. I know, I know Pale Carnations isn't necessarily meant to be that (at least afaik) and I'm NOT saying the game should completely change course just to cater to me and my specific fetishes. This is one of those rare gems of a game that is just of such incredible quality that I'll love it even if I have to suffer through group/sharing content that I don't like.
But the thing is my idea makes sense within the game and what it has established. And again, not saying the games direction or whatever has to change if this doesn't fit, but at least I want to throw out a suggestion of a possible, alternative path, maybe, or an alternative ending, or something. Basically I just think the idea makes too much sense not to at least share here. Maybe parts of it are things the developer is already planning on and that's why they make so much sense.
So basically, my idea is just about how the games story could develop to where we basically get to keep all the carnations for ourselves and remove the losers from the obligation of becoming "just" another whore, and maybe free any of the other girls from that fate that wants it as well. But how could that possibly make sense in the story?
Well basically, the people with positions of real power in the club are August, Charles and Kathleen, right? Hana is expected to start taking over from August, it's been hinted that Charles had hoped Killian would inherit his role but he hasn't showed himself to be of the right caliber. So then, if the MC convinces Killian to take charge of his life and go to Uni (like his Mother has already asked us to convince him to) and with how Charles basically already sees the MC as part of the family, it should be fairly easy with Killian out of the picture to get Charles to see us as the logical heir to his role. Hana is going to inherit August's role and we already have the possibility of having a great relationship with her, and maybe even have Hana be a little bit deferential to us. That just leaves Kathleen which certainly isn't someone the MC can overtly control but we already have every chance of having impressed her many times already and with the right development she certainly would at least listen to our ideas.
So then, if all this comes true that would mean it'll eventually be the MC, Hana and Kathleen who are in control of the club instead, whenever August and Charles steps down for health reasons or whatever else. That changes everything. Hana already doesn't like how the girls are treated and Kathleen has certainly showed a great deal of loathing for all the male patrons of the club who do not show her enough respect (even if she doesn't have an overabundance of love and care for the girls, per se). To me, all this points to the possibility of a route where the MC not only gets to have a large degree of influence over the future of the club, if we play Hana and Kathleen right (and playing people, even the people we like, is already a core theme in Pale Carnations and a stated conflict in the head of the MC) it leaves the doors wide open for us to change the club completely. Rather than rely on prostitution the club could change to where most of the girls in the club are just high-end strippers instead. Sure, it would take some convincing of the clientele but they are ultimately not in charge and the club would still serve just as well as the meeting spot for the same elites, the entertainment would just be limited to a VIEWING experience instead. And the girls would be free to "belong" to the MC without any interruption. Maybe even make the MC fucking the club girls as part of the viewing experience, but limit it at that.
Veronica and Rosalind wouldn't have to be full prostitutes in case they lost and if Felicia won she would benefit from being a full member of a club that Kathleen had much more power to make respectful of female members. Additionally I can already see before me such scenes as a threesome with Hana and Harper etc. Basically this would also be the route for the players who actually care about the club girls and don't want to see them disgraced and basically mistreated as they often are now, but still want to have sex with them.
So yeah, maybe that's a wild idea, but I think it makes sense. And to be clear, I'm not advocating that this would be the ONLY path in the game, just one path among all the others that would make sense. And obviously I'm not EXPECTING any of this to happen, of course the developer doesn't OWE me anything like this. I simply think it would be an awesome way for the story to develop and if it happens to appeal to the developer, if they aren't already planning something like this, then that's all it is.
Hi!The primary reason for the club existing isn't actually prostitution, because people can get prostitutes anywhere. It primarily serves as a meeting place for sleazy corrupt people to talk freely. What the club serves as entertainment is kind of secondary.
Besides there has already been several scenes where most of the entertainment consisted of either the MC or Kathleen fucking/manhandling the carnations, it's safe to say there's an interest in that but most of it would in this hypothetical consist of variations of stripshows, but ones that would cater to all kinds of fetishes.
And yes, I don't like degrading the girls, not beyond just a little bit anyway. The game already explicitly supports players who aren't into the worst degrading scenes so it would make perfect sense for there to be a path/ending that supports this as well. Just because the game supports heavy degrading and you're into that doesn't mean it can't also have a more vanilla path. I'm not trying to argue for your preferred playstyle to get any cut in content so it would be nice if you'd be the same.
I think the Carnations meeting for lunch every week is doing more than you may realize in that regard. Sure, it doesn't make sense for the story to have a harem as written, but I'm just saying that there's another avenue to theoretically pursue where Edwin is their point of familiar commonality... so, all he would really have to do is convince Hana (who's already into Mina, probably) to watch him fuck Carnations and house girls while she jills off... as Bill Burr says, "well, you've already started the luge, it's goin'...".Y'all motherfuckers trying to get rid of Kat, but realistically the only harem possible here is if Edwin uses her help to turn all girls into his brainwashed playthings.
The original poster would be dolfe67, for your convenience i'll repost it.Does anybody know where to find that picture where all the house girls are standing together and are named, or who posted it?
I do recall seeing some videos with camera graphic overlays at around that time period (though not a running timestamp, now that I think of it). The early aughts was when all the older videos were starting to get digitized, so these sorts of timestamps had been emblematic of digitized amateur content and staged porn always needs a veneer of authenticity. But I don't have any saved examples and I'm not sure how I'd search for them easily, so it's certainly possible my memory is wrong.As for timestamps in an actual published, professional video,
So if anybody could provide perhaps a studio which did such stuff, or link something up i would be grateful.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
I see, you're saying the MC has a DVD-equivalent without timestamps and an MP3-equivalent with them? Maybe, but I think it's a lot more likely the MC's TV is hooked up to play MP3-type files. We know Mina's TV has that capability (she found Killian's video on "a random USB" and Felicia shows it to the MC on her TV).Here i am a bit confused, because the shoot i claim to be raw footage is the second, the 'yellow' one and it doesn't display another camera in the ingame pictures so i am pretty sure i didn't say we see a camera there (just checked my post again, and no, didn't say that).
However, what i did, was explaining the much higher visual quality of the chronologically set-in-between doggystyle picture with the ingame use of a second, digital camera offscreen. We players know why this picture has a better quality: because it is from a much later update.
If trying to explain how this visual inconsistency could have happened ingame comes back to bite me in the ass, i'll gladly drop my idea of a second camera in this shot, and state it was all recorded with just one, who miraculously improved its quality in the close-up of the doggy. There is no second digital camera.
My 'proof' for being raw footage relies not on a second camera, but on the presence of the timestamps in Edwins available video, which he watches on his computer and not on his also available TV set, like he does with his mothers casting video. So i assumed he pulled it from the internet to which it was posted by an unknown source. He very likely doesn't own this footage on DVD, like his mothers casting, because nowadays DVD drives for desktop PCs have become rare, and a physics student probably doesn't use an ancient personal computer. Double that if Victoria is telling the truth about her age, because this would mean the current ingame year is 2023 or 2024.
Explaining this occurence with faux-BTS footage and being a semi-amateur video with an unpolished feel works of course too.
(if they are really a thing)
I had forgotten the 2017 notice on the old Exhibition footage. That does seem like a solid starting point to estimate the current year from. (The placard at the start of the game is valid evidence too, but games sometimes try to keep current action contemporary, so I trust it less.)According to your math above 2009 + 14 years or 15 years would get us 2023 or 2024 as the current ingame year.
I'll try to show now, why i believe this is wrong.
So even if you don't follow my last two clues, the years 2018, 2019 or 2020 are backed by much more ingame information, than a single statement of a person, whoYou don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
and lead to kinda awkward future 2023 (not anymore, though) or 2024 as the current ingame year.
- is reluctant to reveal personal information in a porn video, like she tried with her real name
- is probably embarrassed to start doing porn at her age, especially if you cross-reference this with Rosies statement about her own age: "That's right. I'm practically over the hill for this kind of thing, aren't i?"
However, if you think my proposed years are valid, it's clear that Victoria is lying about her age, with further consequences. Like for example that now her 'debut' age is close to 36 which is incidentally Rosies age. Again coincidence? I don't think so.
I agree, but AFAIK it's all we really have to compare it to. I certainly read it as being 'soon' after his father's death, but I guess it doesn't have to be. Subjectively it probably depends on how long it took for their financial situation to stabilize; if they were living hand to mouth for, say, a decade, I could see the MC lumping all that time together as "after my father died." The more restricting point is that her time in porn was "brief," but as you say that's pretty vague.Do i? Apart from from her probably five years older age? Which means she didn't started just after her husbands death?
Well,
is conveniently vague enough to literally span any duration (what is brief in Edwins book?) at nearly any point in time between his father's death and the current ingame year, as long as it includes 2009 and 2010.
It's a bit like saying: "The second world war took place during the twentieth century." Which is obviously not wrong, but of limited explanatory power.
But it's not just that you start later, you also have to pay more. Medicine has a negative income for the first few years after college. And it's notoriously competitive, at least in the US. Now we know the MC is driven, so I can see him betting on himself. But he's also coldly rational, so he must know that if he doesn't make the cut the situation will be that much worse, moneywise.Doesn't change the fact, that a GP, even if they start 10 years later due their prolonged educational needs and their higher study debts, catches up and surpasses those engineers and physicist in roughly 13 years, probably even faster if they are self-employed. After that they are still earning more than them for like 20 years. Income-wise GP is the better option in the long run.
No, I thought he discussed it with one of the girls at some point. But I can't remember where and I don't have time to see if I can find it at the moment.AFAIK that's the flavour text if you choose the "Helping People" motivation at the start of the game.
If you choose "Money" as motivation it's
"As they say... money isn't everything, but not having it is. Growing up watching your mother try and scrape by, you understand that as well as everyone. (...) You are fundamentally concerned with the pursuit and accumulation of wealth."
I think you're focusing on the sex acts alone rather than the larger picture. Recording what's effectively a porno right under Elias' nose is threatening Felicia's livelihood in a very direct manner. Likewise, Rosalind getting caught being publicly indecent in an area very close to her home is threatening to expose her antics to her daughter's peers, which is undoubtedly Rose's greatest fear about being a Carnation (obviously gangsters hurting her daughter is her single biggest fear).Ehh, what?
Except the tarantula which exploits Veronicas phobia and i personally believe is just a tiny tad above what Victoria endured, the other two incidents are magnitudes tamer.
A fake interview? In which you can choose how far it goes? With a certified slut who gets off on it? Really?
And some photos showing quick flashes of boobs and pussy in a public place? Fucking on a toilet or groping in a secluded tunnel? This is stuff a lot of normal, vanilla people do to bring a little spice to their sexlife. There was no porno shoot on a public lawn inside the park.
I don't see how this relates in any way to above topic. We know that she is dangerous, but that's not part of her usual routine.
She doesn't have a whole dungeon full of her former 'toys' lined up for testing. This wouldn't go unnoticed by her companions.
Just a quick answer, because i am working on a longer post.I do recall seeing some videos with camera graphic overlays at around that time period (though not a running timestamp, now that I think of it). The early aughts was when all the older videos were starting to get digitized, so these sorts of timestamps had been emblematic of digitized amateur content and staged porn always needs a veneer of authenticity. But I don't have any saved examples and I'm not sure how I'd search for them easily, so it's certainly possible my memory is wrong.