VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Ottoeight]

Incest that is actually written well is far from generic or mainstream.
Unless you're saying that the dev doesn't have the writing chops to pull off a well-written incest plot.

Remember this is a game that involves drugs that make you lose your mind from lust and all kinds of other crazy shit, there's a ton of ways the game could've approached an incest plot that isn't generic or mainstream.

Oh well, they just never give up. They want it everywhere. Every-fucking-damn-where.

 

[Machete]

Incest that is actually written well is far from generic or mainstream.
Unless you're saying that the dev doesn't have the writing chops to pull off a well-written incest plot.

Remember this is a game that involves drugs that make you lose your mind from lust and all kinds of other crazy shit, there's a ton of ways the game could've approached an incest plot that isn't generic or mainstream.

Not sure i've seen well written incest so far. Actually i can think of 2 titles that did a great job about about it. One i won't mention because it has been banned from this site. Too bad, it's an mazing story with high attention to the psychological implications of the act, but i can see why they did it. The other is Desert Stalker for its take on a society where incest is socially accepted and broadly practiced.

Most of incest game are like: "oh, no! i can't bang my [insert relative name here]! well. wathever, time for a some hour of cheasy vanilla incest sex".

 

[Ottoeight]

I don't know if I'd say Ian's mom was a devoted mother, it's already been said that Victoria and the older maid spent more time and took more interest in him when he was younger. What they have shown is that she wants him to follow in his father's footsteps with the company(preferred) or at least go to college, instead of living off their money.

Well, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to realise that she is neither a good parent nor a cordial and affectionate person.

 

[Machete]

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realise that she is neither a good parent nor a cordial and affectionate person.

Anaffective doesn't mean she doesn't care. In her way she is invested in her son future and wellbeing. We are speaking of motherly devotion, not motherly affection.

 

[Simpgor]

She's (probably) willing to bang her sons friend (presumed "reward") who she isnt a huge fan of in an attempt to get her son on the "right track".... considering that he is currently an errandboy at a brothel she isnt exactly wrong just probably not going about it the most intelligent way

 

[Ottoeight]

Anaffective doesn't mean she doesn't care. In her way she is invested in her son future and wellbeing. We are speaking of motherly devotion, not motherly affection.

Well, I 100% disagree. Cultural clash, I guess.

Anyway, our MC Edwin thinks that she is a horrible parent. Ian himself too. I might say Uncle Chuck too.

 

[Turret]

Well, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to realise that she is neither a good parent nor a cordial and affectionate person.

Anaffective doesn't mean she doesn't care. In her way she is invested in her son future and wellbeing. We are speaking of motherly devotion, not motherly affection.

The thing about Grace (Ian´s Mom) is that we not only have Edwin´s impression that she is not a good parent and a really cold and distant person, we get this information from several independent sources throughout the story. We also can compare with other aloof characters. Hell, even Kath and Sophia are less distant than Grace! It says much when both the most sadist and the most eccentric character in the game are less cold and think higher of the MC than Grace ever did!
Read a bit between the lines. While for Kath and Sophia Edwin might currently be mostly a useful pawn, you can get closer to them and maybe more in later chapters. Grace considers Edwin scum and this is an opinion she had for many years. What a "nice" person Grace is. Edwin is/was the only true friend Ian had throughout school and Viktoria was more a mom for him than Grace ever was.

 

[lnppo]

Oh well, they just never give up. They want it everywhere. Every-fucking-damn-where.

I mean, if you design a super hot MILF, let the player watch porn of them multiple times and make them likeable it shouldn't be surprising that some people want them to be an LI when it's a character in a porn game.
This isn't a realistic narrative whatsoever so it wouldn't be any more far-fetched than anything else going on in the plot.

Not sure i've seen well written incest so far. Actually i can think of 2 titles that did a great job about about it. One i won't mention because it has been banned from this site. Too bad, it's an mazing story with high attention to the psychological implications of the act, but i can see why they did it. The other is Desert Stalker for its take on a society where incest is socially accepted and broadly practiced.

Most of incest game are like: "oh, no! i can't bang my [insert relative name here]! well. wathever, time for a some hour of cheasy vanilla incest sex".

Yeah, it's pretty rare. Which makes it all the better when someone who can actually write a decent plot tackles it.
Unfortunately most games just use the writing as a vehicle to get to sex scenes rather than try and write a plot that is actually compelling that naturally leads to sex scenes.

 

[MoBy28]

I mean, if you design a super hot MILF, let the player watch porn of them multiple times and make them likeable it shouldn't be surprising that some people want them to be an LI when it's a character in a porn game.
This isn't a realistic narrative whatsoever so it wouldn't be any more far-fetched than anything else going on in the plot.

Yeah, it's pretty rare. Which makes it all the better when someone who can actually write a decent plot tackles it.
Unfortunately most games just use the writing as a vehicle to get to sex scenes rather than try and write a plot that is actually compelling that naturally leads to sex scenes.

And most of those games don't even have decent writing/stories

 

[TD1900]

It's not surprising that people ask or desire it, but it's simply not a direction the story will go.

And while Pale Carnations may not be a realistic narrative, it does have a status quo and scope, and incest falls outside those bounds. Plus, in my opinion as a guy who takes his porn game story way too seriously (if you don't, no one will), it would run contrary to the foundation of Edwin and Vicky's character.

Plus, I don't like it, and there isn't a more important reason than that.

 

[link18]

Not all games with family members needs to have incest most good ones (story wise) don't, its very hard to pull off a unique incest story especialy if its based in modern times with no fantasy or sci_fi genres elements

All that in mind i still hold hope to see Vicky get some action in the present time in the story shes hot and that will be even hotter

Though wherever creative decision the devs make im here for it the game is great already without it

 

[N024]

The reality that none of the people clamouring for it are going to have to accept is that the absolute peak of these terribly incestous vibes is a result of the fact that they're all just Edwin's subconsious fantasies, and nothing will ever be better.

 

[link18]

The reality that none of the people clamouring for it are going to have to accept is that the absolute peak of these terribly incestous vibes is a result of the fact that they're all just Edwin's subconsious fantasies, and nothing will ever be better.

Exacty, like how many people IRL fantasize about it the answer is a alot and how many act on it almost none, its one of the most prominant genres in porn for a reason but the chances of that happening IRL is slim to none excluding abuse

also this is the only vn i played that tackles the life of an ex pornstar son Pov its weird and hot in the same time

 

[lnppo]

It's not surprising that people ask or desire it, but it's simply not a direction the story will go.

And while Pale Carnations may not be a realistic narrative, it does have a status quo and scope, and incest falls outside those bounds. Plus, in my opinion as a guy who takes his porn game story way too seriously (if you don't, no one will), it would run contrary to the foundation of Edwin and Vicky's character.

Plus, I don't like it, and there isn't a more important reason than that.

Fair enough.
Although ultimately I think the only true reason is your last one since large portions of the narrative is characters doing things they don't want to or that they didn't think they were capable of.
Removing every scene that was "contrary to the foundation of [...] character(s)" would result in no Carnations since they're all betraying themselves in some regard.

 

[TD1900]

Although ultimately I think the only true reason is your last one since large portions of the narrative is characters doing things they don't want to or that they didn't think they were capable of.
Removing every scene that was "contrary to the foundation of [...] character(s)" would result in no Carnations since they're all betraying themselves in some regard.

It's more of an overarching thing, rather than "characters must behave the way they think they will."

I'm talking about how Edwin and Victoria's relationship informs other components of the story, where I want that to lead, and how it was pretty much the first thing I conceptualized writing even before the sex club aspect got folded into the scenario. What I'm trying to say is that, at it's core, this is not an incest story. And sure, it's all made up and the story can twist any direction one pleases, but it'd be working against the logic that has been built up and followed in my head.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

It's more of an overarching thing, rather than "characters must behave the way they think they will."

I'm talking about how Edwin and Victoria's relationship informs other components of the story, where I want that to lead, and how it was pretty much the first thing I conceptualized writing even before the sex club aspect got folded into the scenario. What I'm trying to say is that, at it's core, this is not an incest story. And sure, it's all made up and the story can twist any direction one pleases, but it'd be working against the logic that has been built up and followed in my head.

For me personally, Victoria is a real mother for Edwin and support for Ian, and I don’t see any sense in any dirty plots and incest for her. I like how she behaves openly around Edwin and Ian, as if they were her sons and is ready to support them no matter what their problem is, she even jokes better with Ian when they both tease Edwin. so for me she is like a mother and a friend, the best character in the game!

 

[Whiteknightskyy]

I tried following your instructions for installing Android but no matter what I do I can't find the file the game file you're talking about I go into Ren play saves but the pale coronation the game file isn't in there. Never mind I kept reading it wrong I know what I'm doing wrong now

 

[Ottoeight]

Exacty, like how many people IRL fantasize about it the answer is a alot and how many act on it almost none, its one of the most prominant genres in porn for a reason but the chances of that happening IRL is slim to none excluding abuse

also this is the only vn i played that tackles the life of an ex pornstar son Pov its weird and hot in the same time

It is NOT one of the prominant genres: it is just a lame and sad byproduct of the hentai subculture.

I don't remember a single erotic-pornographic movie or novel in the whole history of Western civilisation where incest is the main theme.

You guys always forget that on Internet the most extreme dudes who belong to tiny minorities are the most vocal people by far.

 

[link18]

I was making a refrence to step mom step sis in the porn industrie not main stream media

main theme.

No u cant make it the main theme remember its still illegal in the US and taboo in other countries u cant make money out of it in mainstream media but i can think of GOT and STARWARS That are well known
And hey Oedipus is greek mythology its as western as u can get plus not only western people play these games

PS : Im not advocating for incest in PC the exact opposit

 

[dolfe67]

The first incest genre is the bible

Or the greek/roman/egyptian mythology, gods are consanguineous