Unity - Loser [v0.11.00] [Night City Productions]

i like the grind and i like the differences in each model in this game. there is literally every type. i would like a few more random events, and development is a little slow, you forget about the game between updates...

Reviewing v0.11

This game nails the buildup and anticipation with each character in a remarkable way. You spend your time in a sandbox with a handful of women, performing activities that give you stats and conversation topics. These will then be used to subtly influence the women, unlocking different archetypes for them. When a woman is converted to a new archetype this unlocks additional scenes, and gives more uses for the stats and conversation topics.

I loved seeing the influencing pay off for each character. For one example, early on, you might encourage an interest in fitness, resulting in that woman start an afternoon exercise routine. Later on, as your influence becomes sexual, so does that exercise routine. It gives the relationships a lot of room to breathe, building in more and more sexual tension. Then, through scenes you find organically in the sandbox, that tension gets released in creative and interesting ways.

Once you get a handle of the mechanics, you'll be juggling many tasks at once. You might have just unlocked a new archetype for one woman, so you scope out changes in her daily routine. At the same time, you might want to encourage an interest in romance with another woman, so you spend some time watching romantic movies. This also gives you experience in trivia, which you the player need to increase some of your stats. Then you use this trivia conversation topic with another character for another goal.

For a long time this loop felt exciting to me, and not like a grind. I think this is because all of the women you interact with are written to have a strong individual identity. As the relationships progress you become a part of their life as much or moreso than they become part of yours. The story for each woman is completely different, and all scenes are very specific to their personality and interests. This means that when you encourage interests and see the resulting scenes, you can directly observe how and why the woman behaves the way they do. It's very rewarding.

Eventually this loops does feel like a grind. You unlock a new archetype, and finish watching their new scenes, but increasing their interest in fashion or something from 0 to 100 does not sound appealing. This is the main problem with the gameplay loop. It has already outstayed its welcome and the game doesn't feel close to finished. At least you can use a cheat mod or edit your saves to eliminate the grind.

There are some major problems that can't be solved by a cheat mod. Navigation through menus or through the game world is slow. Vital information is hidden multiple menus deep, and it was common for me to have to revisit those sub menus multiple times when planning one action. You need a topic with incivility? You can't open your inventory outside of your house for some reason. And maybe you don't have something explicitly tagged with incivility, but you do have topics tagged with aggression and rudeness. Do those count? The answer is in an entirely different menu. If you're not using a cheat mod, you'll also be checking what each character's likes and dislikes are, which are in other submenus. You might find yourself in a situation where a woman likes sexual topics but dislikes perverted topics. Is nudity sexual or is nudity perverted? Blowjobs? Who knows. Every woman has 6 likes and 6 dislikes, so this can get needlessly convoluted.

But despite these pretty massive flaws, I'm still giving this a 5/5. The high points are incredible. When the games has its hooks in you, it's an experience you won't find anywhere else. I don't disagree with the negative sentiments expressed in other reviews, and unless something changes, these flaws will only become more pronounced as development goes on. Despite this, my experience with the game was overwhelmingly positive.

Its way too grindy, the interface lags alot. To many things to memorize and set up for each character.

Fun game, when you manage to push through to the next character unlock, but its extrememly grindy in between unlocks.

Game concept is great. I've been playing this on and off for 2 years, and I can say it has improved a lot since the ultra grindy and un-user-friendly no-sex scenes days, but still today it's not that user-friendly.

I do like grind but this game has grind in another level, it's fun at times but mostly too complicated in many other ways, and there are so many variables you have to think about, you almost need to be Elon Musk to remember them all.

With time and effort, anyone should be able to complete this game and get the rewards... but still, I value my time and the time spent here was too much.

Another thing I would critique is that the renders are sub-optimal to be honest, they could be so much better. but they have improved a lot lately I noticed.

The pros here are good models, and fairly decent writing.

It's wrapped in the most awful systems I can imagine, though. The only way to play this game is with a cheat mod. Literally nobody who values their time wants to grind out watching TV in a game to earn the right to discuss TV with one character a single time, and hope like hell they're interested in order to 5% progress in a stat with them. And this game does what all these games love to do, and decides that "realism" dictates that dates happen most often on weekends, so you end up with all the characters single-threading through a dozen Fridays with no good way to wait, and nothing to really do except grind out more discussion topics. And then, for good measure, if you didn't think to "equip" a highly specific topic, like "foot massage" out of 6-7 different massage topics, the game tells you to piss off and come back next week for another try. It's the most asinine thing. And half the event triggers are hidden behind random crap like that. So you'll pass days with the in-game help telling you that you've checked all the boxes, but since you don't have the "slutty" topic, nothing happens.

What gets fun is when the game wants you to jump back and forth to archetypes you've already used, and it's hard to know if you're just regressing, or fulfilling the next step in the process of corruption. That could have been fixed by having some unique content at different levels. Instead, you just guess which one will trigger progress and hope for new content.

The models are nice but it's the most grindy game I've seen in my life. It's lineage 2 tier if not worse. You have to do everything in a very specific order, consult the character archetypes, wait for a week in game time only to find out you also need to grind some more just to get a quick scene. This is insanity

wtf is this?
first it eats up all memory. so I need to close all my applications.
second it almost 9GB in size as unity is just bad choice.
third theres a millions of stats and no clue what to do
forth some minimal intro and now freeroam with 0 clue what to do
fifth some buttons don't work in settings. making it even more frustrating. can I even load/save?

why the DEV create such a mess? is this fun? even if I read the tutorial its still confusing and illogical. the game is not intuitive, u just guess what to do. I just click on shit. and I need to use the mouse to "continue", the "space-key" only works "after" I click continue one time. why?
this is one of the worse games in this site. the DEV is fucking with me with this shit. Im allergic to sandbox, but if done right I can deal with it. but this is on another level of stupidity.

if u cheat u can max the stats, sure. but its still bad. I unlock what? I click on things that don't make sense, no context. I dont know the characters. but still I need to learn shit and transform them into whatever. why?

It's kind of sad i like what this game is trying to do. But the over complication of game mechanics + the sheer amount of grind+ little pay off makes this game a 1 star.

I don't mind grindy games but this..... this is something else, not only do you need to figure what stats you need (there are loads of stats) but you need to almost endlessly do the same thing.

You do this for a stat increase and then finally and probably after several hours (if you're not cheating) you get a transfer where like two extra events open up but don't worry after that you're back to the grind again.

This is the whole game loop no story no nothing just endless grind for little to no payoff just to grind again afterwards.

I have never seen a dev disrespect a players time this much.

I haven't been to these games for over a year, and that was my surprise, well no surprise. These games are all simply unplayable, no information to unlock the subjects, no information to tell us what the different routes correspond to. This is one of the most repetitive games I have ever seen. Only the graphics are not bad. The hours of play are not the scenes, but the action is repeated. After 5 years of development I expect much better.

-Unavoidable trans/gay/sharing content (parties/Becky Route).
-Heavy grinding required (not the good, rewarding kind, but the mindless repeat kind)
-Money is badly balanced (almost impossible to get at the start, useless later on)
-Has an antagonist (dad) for no reason that requires even more grinding to get rid of
-The MC seems to be a different character when interacting with different family members (multiple personalities issue)
-Guide REQUIRED to play
-Lacking QoL shortcuts/warps so you end up having to do many cumbersome clicks to do anything
-Promises an illusion of a good slow burn, but it's actually just masked grinding
-Bad UI that requires many clicks to do basic things/go through multiple menus
-Uses a week based system with limited time-sensitive events that requires you to click through another week just to repeat it, with no option to fast skip to a certain day
-Insane inventory management needed that rivals MMORPGs
-Item required to do anything/item bloat
-Engine lags/crashes

best game out there, no other comes close to its level of detail and variety, only criticism is the lack of animated scenes so far however the story line and the way in which it develops more than makes up for it !

Top Tier incest themed game!

This game is a prime example of the how to handle a mom son incest story. The build up is fantastic and the payoffs are stellar!

Right off the bat the Mother is smoking, she has a fit milf design that might be one of the best 3d models on this site.

But the real magic is how the game handles the story, so many games just start off with the MC and the other characters jumping into sex with no build up, and that defeats the entire point of the incest theme, it might as well just be (Dude Bangs Milf)

But in this game the characters start off normal, they have a bond and its basic at first, but as time goes on and the characters are exposed to incest situations they slowly find themselves indulging in more and more taboo experiences.

At first Diane is a regular caring mother but as time goes on and she is exposed to more and more inmate scenes with the MC, it starts off with very casual sexual interactions and little by little the Taboo nature of the experience overwhelms her and her son, eventually they give in to the desire as the pleasure of the sexual situations is overwhelming.

The mom takes time to develop her Jocasta complex (Desire to have sex with her son) and that makes the scenes so much more compelling.

That's what so many other games are missing in this Genre, the whole Taboo aspect of the situation is what draws people in.

Starting the characters off as regular people and allow the sexual themes to envelope them over time.

What can i say. at first glance this seems like a super open minded approach to a sandbox game. however, progressing through the game is fucking mystery.. the games guides itself isnt clear enough and concise enough.. i have been playing for over 3 hours and have yet to have a sex scene.. i have even cheated stats and relationship stuff to trigger events. nothing. just an endless conversational loop of clicking over and over, then sleeping and so on. its fucking boring, and mindlessly and tediously clicking away for no visible progress.. no indications of if you can have sex, and how to. even after basically cheating all the stats, i still have no action changes. its wayy to complex at the trade off of fun, which is strange as i love sandbox games. but the grind isnt worth the lack of reward.

most of the tags here barely even qualify to count.,

after the horrendous grinding thats the most tediously boring and repetitive that ive seen in any sandbox game to date. the payoff isnt even worth it, with still image sex scenes. how you gonna have your players grind that much and put that much work into playing your game, if you refuse to put the same level of effort into making the reward fucking worth it.

avoid it.


edit: the premise and idea of the game is amazing, the fact you're not all of a sudden going to banging your mother and siblings and everyone. i like the slow burn. my issue is, the sex scenes being still images seem like a huge smack in the face with the amount of work you need to put in, in order to reach em. its deflating. i love slow burns, for a worth while reward. but the insanely slow burn here for still image scenes aint worth it. now if it was still images of amazing art, sure. but its generically in engine made scenes. it isnt worth the time invested. now if the developer revises all scenes, then ill sure as shit come back and review it again. but to be mislead with the spying on parents animated scene, to then each scene i got from that point being a still image.. the quality is inconsistent. and at time the grind seems to be just for the sake of there being a grind, with little to no worth while reward.

A very grindy game, at some point you might feel lost and think the game actually doesn't have any content but there is a lot of it after you understand what you need to do. Overall is a great game if you have the patience or use mods, would appreciate if there was some sort hint for available scenes. Overall great story and renders

Yet another game where you're a guy trying to perv on your family. The gimmick here is that each character has a current "archetype". As you play, your goal is to keep changing the archetypes to the next available one. Each archetype has a different outfit, different schedule, different room actions, and generally is hornier than the previous one.

First and foremost, I do generally appreciate a sandbox game that adds some friction between scenes. I like my games to have a little gameplay.

This game, however, has at least two disastrous systems that don't respect the player's time:

First, the conversation system. It's the core of the gameplay, and it's not fun, just pure grind. In an unmodified game, you have to play the conversation minigame at least twenty times for each character to move them to the next archetype. You don't get any new dialog or content while doing that, just a couple pictures of them reacting and the opportunity to fail and have to do it even more than twenty times.

Next, the hotbar system. You have a big inventory of topics and items, but during conversations (and certain actions) you can only use them if they're equipped in your hotbar. This means you might try to do a thing, find out you don't have the right item equipped, and have wait a whole in-game week before doing it again. This system isn't interesting, it just adds pointless friction.

God bless the people who have written and maintained the cheat mod, this game is barely playable without it.

If you play with the cheat mod there's actually a lot to love. It's fun to see what changes every time you level up the characters to a new archetype! It's fun to see the different attitudes and outfits they have! The game doesn't need the extra burden of the conversation system and I hope the developer can rethink it.

it s not crak cocain, it s a slow iv drip of ketamine, slow as all hell, doubling the values wouldn't hurt. renders are good but be prepared to put over 4h of gameplay/grind before you non-con flick your sisters bean (or i've been doing things wrong. the game is obscure at best).
i find myself increasing stats 3% at a time meaning upwards of 25 interactions (about a in minute each) to get what i need ...

Loser might be one of the grindiest games on this site, but it's one of the BEST grindiest games on this site. A personal issue I have with Renpy VNs is that all of the hard work a Developer puts into writing a story can be ignored by installing a gallery mod or by having Skip Unseen Text on and hitting CTRL until you get to the sex part. With Loser you need to learn how to play the game in order to get the sex scenes giving the player a sense of reward.

The Arch Type system is one of the game's most interesting concept. I like slowly changing a characters personality to get more sexual content and when you get to vaginal sex with a family member you can return her back to a previous AT to get more sexual content for an older AT(currently only available for Gina and Diane).

This game also has so much variety. There is so many lifestyles to choose from. Choose to embrace a life of Order to gain more money from jobs and more topic storage. Or choose to embrace Disorder and to have a bit of a criminal life like be a dealer or steal parent's car keys. Also, there is many ways to make money like asking to borrow money, be a streamer, or make money by selling a family members nudes to name a few.

5/5 CG and 5/5 Gameplay. If you take the time to learn the mechanics of the game(and read the Tutorial), this can be an enjoyable game for a lot of people.

The preview pics describe perfectly how the first 5 hours of your gameplay look like. Just wandering around the house doing pointless tasks to level up pointless stats with the mc jerking of alone in his room. I literally played for 3 hours on the easiest setting and got absolutely nowhere.

Maybe i did something wrong and would have gotten to the content faster if i did something different or maybe i missed something. So i looked for a walkthrough. Problem is, that the only walkthrough available reads like the instruction to building a fucking rocket.

Then there are the awful interface and the fucking loading times. Seriously what in gods name excuses a loding time of a fucking Bethesda game?
"Aw its because of the engine we used." Than fuck that engine, use a different one.

So since i dont even have a visual of what im working towards in the previews i wont even bother.

Do you enjoy doing the same actions for hours on end with no progress to speak of? Then boy do I have a game for you!!

The grind is the worst I have ever seen, combined with how bad the interface is it's probably the worst game I've played on this site.

Good cgs, good models, mediocre story, absolutely horrendous grind combined with annoyingly slow UI destroys it. 4 stars with cheats, 1 or 2 without.

To put it into perspective, depending on start, you'll need ~2 hours to see a titty and (extrapolating based on my experience) ~8 or more hours to see any sexual content. You need ~50 of the same, repetitive interaction to change a girl's archetype (basically stage of corruption). The game would feel ok at 20 times increased xp gain, but as it is just use cheats instead and play it like a visual novel.